Kill Your Babies!: The Publication Cup (Part 1)



  • Making these threads are a real treat and while I have a couple of ideas for another creation, I thought it would be really good, if we, as a community, rip apart (ALL IN GOOD FUN) lists that I'm sure a fair number of us disagree with.

    Here's what I mean: This will be the first in a three part series where we will play KYB on lists that have been published, either in video or in print. Inspired by a recent thread, I would like the first of the three to be the recently published TIME's Top 50 games of all time. Yes, I know that all three will have carry-over as iconic games and classics alike will be on every list. But that's part of the fun.

    SO: Here are the rules for potential new players who have never played before: Everyone will take a turn taking off a game from the list (killing it from existence) with a valid reason as to why its gone until the "ultimate" game remains. If FIVE people have made a kill since your last deletion or 24 hours pass overall since that last kill, you may go again. Once we get down to the final two, I will create a straw poll where you can vote for the game you want to WIN not kill. Have fun, show no remorse, but whatever you do, give a great reason why whatever you're erasing from existence should wallow in purgatory.

    Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Half-Life 2
    Rise of the Tomb Raider
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Microsoft Flight Simulator X
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Pong
    ESPN NFL 2K5
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Half-Life 2
    Rise of the Tomb Raider
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Microsoft Flight Simulator X
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Pong
    ESPN NFL 2K5
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Hehe, football, on a best games of all times list, not on my watch. I'm also european.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Half-Life 2
    Rise of the Tomb Raider
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Microsoft Flight Simulator X
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Pong
    ESPN NFL 2K5
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Oh I went there. I didn't get to play it when it was released. I was late to the party and got The Orange Box for 360 a while ago, expecting greatness. I played it for about one or two hours and I was so underwhelmed that I stopped playing and never looked back.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Half-Life 2
    Rise of the Tomb Raider
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Microsoft Flight Simulator X
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Pong
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    I was wondering when you were going to make this @Brannox, I knew it was coming, haha. Some of the lower entries definitely deserve kills but how this decent sequel made it onto the list (and so high up!) is beyond me. How this could be included but none of the Uncharted series is beyond me.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Microsoft Flight Simulator X
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Pong
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Pong is on this list solely because of historical significance. I don't think anyone really looks back fondly upon pong and says "wow, what an amazing and faithful table tennis game!" 'Cause it's two lines and a dot and boop boop. It wasn't even the "first" video game or anything, just the first sports game.

    This is the Pong cabinet. It's retro ugly.
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    This is an arcade game that came out a year earlier:
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    Try harder next time, Pong.



  • Can I cross off all the entries?



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Microsoft Flight Simulator X
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    A Microsoft Flight Simulator? Sounds like something from my nightmares. No place here.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Angry Birds
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Yeaaaaah you don't belong here.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Sim City 2000
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Sorry but No. No No No. No this game does not belong on this list.



  • @SabotageTheTruth Agreed on your point about Uncharted. Believe it or not, this wasn't the first list of the three I have in mind, but because it was the most recent in terms of your thread, I couldn't help to make it first.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    The Oregon Trail
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    We all had fun playing it in elementary school or whatever.. but its not one of the greats



  • We all had fun playing it in elementary school or whatever.. but its not one of the greats

    It did teach me that I could not shoot a buffalo and expect to carry all the meat back to camp. Therefore I was wasting that buffalo. :(



  • Going for my 2nd kill

    Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    World of Warcraft
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    I hate MMOs, I tried several including WoW and I can't see the appeal at all, I will purge all MMOs from this list.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Wolfenstein 3D
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    There's a lot of things on this list I'd like to remove because they aren't as good as their successors, but this is the only one I see where the successor is actually on the list. There is no way Wolfenstein 3D justifies its place here when DOOM does everything it does better.



  • There's been five kills, so I'll do another one.

    Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Zork can go. Sorry to say but it's just too ancient and doesn't compete with a looooot of other games on the list.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    Minecraft
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Zork
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Begone heathen! I don't want another situation like the one Bosman and Brad (I think?) got into. Sure the game was fun for a while, but now it has just devolved into an annoyingly persistent and defensive community.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Donkey Kong
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    If we were talking about DK Country it would be different, but you don't belong here either.



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Bioshock
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Cue the dramatic music. If I had to pick my favorite game from the original list, it would either go to Bioshock or Final Fantasy VII. So why am I killing Bioshock then? Because of how much I love it and yet, it will never survive one of these lists. Someone will always say the narrative is too heavy-handed at times (it can be) or the game falls apart at the end (it does). Others will say the twist isn't that shocking anymore (it isn't) or that death didn't really hinder you (it doesn't). Despite these flaws, I would kill nearly every other game on this list multiple times just to explore Rapture again. So it is with mercy and grace that I take this game out to the back, and end its suffering quickly and without pain. My heart could not handle someone murdering it with vengeance again. Goodnight sweet prince.

    Youtube Video



  • Tetris
    Super Mario 64
    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
    DOOM
    Ms. Pac-Man
    The Legend of Zelda
    Super Mario Bros.
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Quake
    Counter-Strike
    Grand Theft Auto III
    Space Invaders
    Diablo II
    GoldenEye 007
    Final Fantasy VII
    Halo: Combat Evolved
    StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
    Mortal Kombat
    Myst
    Pokemon Red/Blue
    The Sims
    Super Mario Kart
    Red Dead Redemption
    Galaga
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Portal 2
    Castlevania
    Call of Duty 2
    Super Smash Bros.
    Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
    Resident Evil 4
    Guitar Hero
    Dota 2
    King's Quest III: To Heir is Human

    Sim games are fun to play and all, but to me they don't hold up to the 5 star games here.



  • Wow, that reasoning behind the BioShock kill was just weird. To kill your favourite in advance, sort of. There's so many good games here on this list that there's no telling which two will make it to the end. So many other possible revenge targets or sources of grudge.

    And I'm saying this partly too because I like BioShock very, very much. What an unnecessary scratch from the list at this point. :/