PS4 Pro looks amazing in 4K

  • @TheOhrenberger Yeah that would be amazing! Apparently the Horizon devs said that their game is built to only run at 30fps and many of the code is based around that framerate similar to DS1 where it had issues doing 60fps on PC. Not sure if that's some PR bullshit for Sony or if that's legit. Hopefully they release on PC soon after. As long as it's a smooth 30fps with no dips and good frame pacing(which it looks like) then that's fine with me though. 30fps only seems to be a problem in twitch shooters and when it the framerate isn't stable but games like Uncharted 4 are fine for me.

  • @Whoaness HDR is definitely a huge difference maker. When implemented correctly it's more noticeable than the bump from 1080p to 4K. I think the reason why we weren't able to see the difference on stream is because most of us aren't using HDR displays lol. I think that was more for the people in attendance. But I could be wrong.

  • Have you played a game on a 4K monitor yourself? Idk in my opinion HDR and the resolution being 4x greater is probably a similar impact for me but I'm a tech guy who really has an eye for that stuff. I think that's more personal preference and if you were just a random person you probably would say the HDR is a bigger difference since the color is what's different instead of 4x sharpness. From the stream we watched though, the HDR definitely showed much better than the 4K as you could actually notice color differences and detail but we had no way to see a 4K resolution at all. Sweet you'll get HDR support on the standard PS4 though if you have a TV with HDR compatibility.

  • I might care about high dynamic range in the future when I can afford a $2K 4K screen, but I could honestly give a damn about pixels. Games look fine in 720p as long as they're not full of jaggies. The PS4 Pro, new iPhones, new TV screens—all of it—should just be subtitled "diminishing returns," because tech companies are proffering smaller advancements for more and more money.

    Besides, very few games are dark enough for me to even care about color saturation at the moment.

    And @mattlandry, the issue you're talking about is how some games are animated at a certain frame rate, so changing the frame rate would speed up all the animations and... yeah. So basically unless they recode some those games in porting them, they'll have to stay at their original frame rate (usually just 30 fps).

  • The thing is 720p basically means more jaggies and overall a blurrier game and it's up to the developer to implement some really good anti aliasing to counteract some of that but it isn't always easy and sacrifices a lot of framerate for it and still often looks blurry with some noticeable jaggies even when done right. I get if 4K isn't anything you're interested in but I highly recommend 1080p over 720p or at least 900p because a lot of devs don't put much into optimization and might not have good enough or even any anti aliasing in their games at all to boost performance. lol I'm not telling you what to like or anything just not sure if you are aware of how all of this works. That's why some games look decent in 720p while others look blurry and full of jaggies.

    And about the 30fps thing that's basically what I meant. Like in DS1 on PC when they originally unlocked the framrate some animations would go double speed and fuck the gameplay up REAL bad. I just did a bad job explaining that lol

    Also I don't really consider 4K and HDR diminishing returns at all. I was thinking that'd be the case before I saw it myself but 4K and HDR are both extremely noticable differences like going from SD to 1080p TV's it's a similar boost in resolution and pixels. They have got to be reaching the point where it looks better than the human eye can detect though so that's gotta be coming soon haha again some people value it more than others though. Same with SD to HD or VHS to DVD some just don't care since you're still seeing the same shit just in a more defined way. Have you seen a 4K HDR monitor run games before? It's more impressive than I ever thought it would be.

  • @mattlandry The thing is some 1080p games look way busier than even much more visually complex games. The dirt in Nioh just looks like a field of static at times—totally distracting even when compared to much more visually complex titles like Uncharted 4. I can't say if that's jaggies or just how the textures are made, but something like Skyrim reads a lot better to me even at 720p with screen-tearing every time you cast a spell. And that's not only a measure of familiarity either, there's plenty of other games where that is the case.

  • @Haru17 Yeah more pixels does lead to more things that can potentially distract you for sure. Yeah if you'd rather have simpler visuals then for sure 4K and the PS4 Pro most likely isn't for you haha. And yeah with Nioh I'm pretty sure it's the extra pixels that cause that effect where with 720p, the pixels all just blend together in a more smoother looking visual assuming we are talking about the same thing (I only played it a bit so just going by memory.) 1080p of course should have less jaggies so I don't imagine that'd be it. Also games like skyrim with a lot of muddy textures does look better in 720p in a way so you can't see how bad they look so clearly lol but yeah whatever you enjoy most man go with that. Save an extra 100 bucks that way too! I kind of envy you in that way since I'm a budget gamer who loves the newest best looking shit!

  • So am I kind of screwed if I have a tv that is 4k but not HDR? I'm not sure if it's worth it, I aso have my pc hooked up to the tv and its got a 970 so I imagin it'll still be where I play multipatform games.

  • @crustef You're not screwed, you just won't be able to enjoy HDR. For most people this will be the case. You will still be able to play 4K games and all that jazz.

  • @ObbyDent cool thanks, just a bummer that it seems you get more benefit from the hdr than the resolution bump. Just another thing to save money for :/

  • HDR is definitely the big game changer. I wish had an actual 4K HDR screen to see the difference, but I'm sure that Horizon will look good regardless of what PS4 you're playing on.

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    I mean 4k in all honour.. just what I don't understand is why developers and/or Sony pushes for higher resolution all the time. Why not stay with 1080p for a while (especially since most people don't have 4k TVs) and focus on getting games up to a solid 60fps instead? Maybe it is a bit selfish, but I would prefer to play a game that runs super smooth in 1080 instead of having "stunning" graphics and it being sluggish.

    Its like the old saying "Playing video games for its graphics is like watching porno for its story"

  • I'm not a tech guy by any stretch of the imagination but is it possible that devs can program games to run at better FPS if the user is using a 1080 display but then also have the option to have better res if the user is using a 4K TV.
    I feel like the big misstep with presenting the Ps4 Pro was it was too focused on how it will improve the experience for 4K users and didnt really touch on how it will benefit people with 1080 displays. Hence why the reception of the device hasnt really gone over that well with the majority of the fan base.

  • @Lotias said in PS4 Pro looks amazing in 4K:

    I mean 4k in all honour.. just what I don't understand is why developers and/or Sony pushes for higher resolution all the time. Why not stay with 1080p for a while (especially since most people don't have 4k TVs) and focus on getting games up to a solid 60fps instead? Maybe it is a bit selfish, but I would prefer to play a game that runs super smooth in 1080 instead of having "stunning" graphics and it being sluggish.

    Its like the old saying "Playing video games for its graphics is like watching porno for its story"

    Yeah, that's definitely possible. I believe Rise of the Tomb Raider comes with several options for 1080p users; Either an increased framerate, or increased visuals.

  • @crustef Yeah you're definitely not screwed and HDR 4K TV's are still crazy expensive anyway so I'd wait about 2 years and get one at a way better price. TV's always go down in price VERY quickly. Also it's personal preference weather you prefer higher resolution vs HDR lightling but either way playing games in 4K vs 1080p or below is a very noticeable fantastic difference.

  • @Lotias Staying @ 1080p wont make a difference there, developers will always strive to make the craziest most amazing graphics and effects possible and always pushing the system to their limit will mean there will always be 30fps games no matter what. Sony should have given the option though for developers to unlock framerates for playing PS4 Pro in 1080p but I believe they don't like the difference to be so huge between games so they appear to be limiting it to smaller details and it's still up to developers to put in the time and money to do that. 4K is pretty much guaranteed to be the next standard for TV's though and with so many years left in the console cycle they don't want to be left behind and make you wait until the PS5 I imagine. But yeah as I mentioned before, It's on developers to decide if they want to go for 60fps @ 1080p and have graphics that max out at call of duty level visuals if you're rich or really push for the best looking game you can make @ 30fps and the latest leaps in visuals only make it harder to make 60fps the further you are in the generation. That part isn't on Sony it's the developers. That's why a lot of people who don't know much about tech were all pissed when the xbox 360 came out and didn't have every game @ 1080p 60fps like they expected. The games get increasingly more taxing to run as time goes on so you're probably never going to see a day where every game is 60fps even at 1080p.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, for games that already had unlocked framerates for 60fps I imagine would have to run at or closer to a constant 60fps on the PS4 Pro if the game wasn't that stable already @ 1080p so if you're sticking to 1080p you might see some smoother frame rates that way but at this point it's looking like Sony isn't changing fps caps on their games between consoles. Sucks I know so if you don't have a 4K TV I'd hold off on the PS4 Pro for now unless you have lots of cash to spare.

  • @mattlandry yea thats true, I can play the mass effect games at 4k with my pc and they look amazing. Even with older games it can ake a big difference. Text is so small though, really hard to read off of a tv instead of a monitor.

  • @crustef Yeah it's so weird man I played psychonauts I believe it was in 4K once because the PC couldn't handle newer game in 4K at all and it's so crazy it kind of makes the textures look better since you're seeing 4x the pixels on them and just the resolution bump alone made it look like a full remaster to me so if you have a real keen eye for visuals like myself, big resolution bumps make a big difference but to a lot of normal people they would just see the old school graphics and think it barely did anything. Perspective is a powerful thing!