NeoGaf's EZA thread. I want to comment!



  • @Musou-Tensei

    "inhumane hatred"
    ok, I'm gonna use my prove-it ticket.

    Point out to me, in the first five pages - some inhumane hatred directed at Luckey or his gf. I'm not seeing it.



  • To me most of it, but with everything else that exists, what one feels is inhumane hatred could be not to others,

    Page 10 now and I'm going to blow my melon off, Gaf is as horrible as I remember, fuck these disgusting people, I'm proud that I'm not part of them, I'm done.



  • @Musou-Tensei Ok, so nothing factual then, just you not liking GAF. They didn't actually incite any harassment and there's been no proof provided that anyone participating in that thread on GAF tweeted any harassment at Luckey's GF.

    I can understand not liking the tone of discourse on GAF, but that's what's disingenuous about your original post. You're letting your personal feelings of distaste for the tone of the conversation, sway you into believing that they did something they did not do. I am a firsthand witness refuting your assertion and provided you with proof - you just choose not to address it. Nothing I've seen on that thread is inciting the harassment of Palmer Luckey's GF.



  • @TokyoSlim This post is literally on page 5. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217802771&postcount=202. I can see know other reason for this post except for the purpose of shaming her for her opinions and her relation with Palmer. Also I see people saying anyone who supports Donald Trump is a white supremacist.



  • Have you read the article I linked, they show some of the posts from that thread, now admittedly no one went all Leslie Jones and explicitly told others to "GET HER!" but you can't deny that posting her Twitter link on Gaf and the following harassment is a pure coincidence, come on, you can't be that naive.
    https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/779432652982083585/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw



  • @JNT11593

    Shame her? That's kind of a stretch.
    First off, the post is about Palmer Luckey and his unfortunate association with racists and bigots that has recently come to light, not about inciting anything at his gf.

    Secondly, she posted racist/xenophobic/Islamophobic tweets, many of which Palmer Luckey then retweeted, a few if which then were reposted by this user. That's not inhumane hatred. That's reposting her own words to expose her bigotry.

    I'm pretty sure neither one are ashamed of it. Also, please spell out what harassment is being incited in this post? I see nobody calling for her to be SWATTED or anyone to go troll her on social media. No incitement.

    And Donald Trump is running for president on a campaign of racism and xenophobia. He retweets white power memes. He has been sued and lost multiple times for his racially discriminatory business practices. This is all common knowledge. If you support him, you are supporting racism, whether you are personally a racist or not. That's a pretty fine line to pick nits at.



  • @Musou-Tensei

    I've seen no evidence yet that anyone from NeoGAF has tweeted harassment at her. no. And speculation that if there was it was caused by NeoGAF users are not supported by anything but circumstantial evidence and maybe your own bias against NeoGAF, unless you can tie usernames together. People have been critical of Luckey's retweeting of her racist and xenophobic tweets for a while now. It's just that he shined a much bigger spotlight on himself about these issues now and it's gotten him in trouble.

    I'm of the opinion that the "timing" of her shutting off her twitter account is likely more about corporate damage control on that part of Palmer Luckey than it is about anyone calling her a racist on twitter. Many people have criticized her on twitter for her stances before and she didn't immediately start deleting her offensive tweets, and then decide to nuke her whole account when she realized how many there were.

    So far the only thing I've seen NeoGAF incite is a boycott of Oculus until Luckey is fired. That's neither inhumane, or abusive. I'd rather not give money to a guy like Luckey either.



  • My response was to you asking for Musou Tensei some inhuman hatred directed to Palmer or his girlfriend. The tweet itself may not qualify as inhuman hatred since that is something completely subjective, but linking to her tweets like that more than likely encouraged some posters in the thread to hop on the twitter hate train. As for the content of the tweets themselves she may have tweeted some that a racist, but I'd disagree that the ones linked are racist. With the most arguable one being the one about Islamic immigration. But that's another discussion for another day . And I think most people would agree that this thread is already derailed enough and is liable to head for a shit storm. So I'll probably bug out of this conversation. I typically don't like to get involved in shit that can be political



  • @JNT11593

    Sorry, showing support for the guy who's ACTUALLY inciting racist and bigoted harassment, hacking, and etc with the #freemilo tweet isn't racist?
    Again, I don't draw a fine line against people who set out to lynch someone personally, and the people egging them on to lynch someone. I think both are racists. I wonder what Leslie Jones would think about that.



  • Are you really that naive to believe that not a single person from Gaf could possibly tweeted at her?



  • @Musou-Tensei said in NeoGaf's EZA thread. I want to comment!:

    Are you really that naive to believe that not a single person from Gaf could possibly tweeted at her?

    Your original point was that NeoGAF incited and caused harassment. I dispute this as there is no evidence to support that.
    Do I think it's possible that someone from NeoGAF also possibly tweeted her? Sure. It's also possible someone from Easy Allies tweeted her. There's a lot of overlap between GAF and EA. But there was no groupthink harassment incited on anyone. There were people calling other people racists, with evidence supplied that they are racists and have said racist things in a public forum. This is not harassment, this is exposing racism.



  • Oh I feel like saying that even though it's even more off topic but also very important to me, I like keeping feelings in the threads they were created in. Like for example if I ever post codes in the give away thread again and you want to snag it, don't be shy to tell me you did (so I can delete it and won't waste other people's time with used codes), I will not be mad or something (well, not more than I'm naturally am).



  • @TokyoSlim said in NeoGaf's EZA thread. I want to comment!:

    @Musou-Tensei said in NeoGaf's EZA thread. I want to comment!:

    Are you really that naive to believe that not a single person from Gaf could possibly tweeted at her?

    Your original point was that NeoGAF incited and caused harassment.

    I never said that, my words were "I will just leave this here to show what kind of people are on GAF" and posted an excerpt of the article I linked, which is titled "Gizmodo Incites Harassment On Female #GamerGate Supporter, Forces Her Off Twitter", but the article also points out that gaffers are joining in on that.
    And you can't deny that omgfloofy was unrightfully banned, which let's me assume that some mod, who possibly participated, got butthurt.



  • Just so we're clear - I'd rather have this discussion than your original "go fuck yourself" post to me. I reported that post because, frankly - it was rude and was not conducive to discussion or furthering understanding. I'm glad we talked, and even though I think you're bias against GAF is a tiny bit irrational. Considering that a lot of GAFfers are also Allies. I feel like condemning "the people over there" may be counterproductive, since many times, as in my case - you're sitting here talking to one of the people over there.

    I'm not mad at you or anything.



  • @Musou-Tensei said in NeoGaf's EZA thread. I want to comment!:

    "Gizmodo Incites Harassment On Female #GamerGate Supporter, Forces Her Off Twitter", but the article also points out that gaffers are joining in on that.<

    And I'm asking you to show me where, on NeoGAF or on Twitter, Gaffers joined in with Gizmodo in inciting harassment.
    I don't think it happened. Being critical of racism is not inciting harassment. None of the pictures of GAF in your link show that it incited or joined in with harassment.



  • Tbh I was half asleep and thought I'm still on Nichegamer Forum (which is pretty much the opposite of Gaf in terms of censorship) and when I came back from the toilet and looked at the screen I was like "oh shit".

    Also you just said "Do I think it's possible that someone from NeoGAF also possibly tweeted her? Sure." But now you're going back to "Gaffers dindu nuffin", please stop the flip flopping.



  • @TokyoSlim No? I mean I'll admit I'm lacking context especially in regards to the milo thing as I don't get on twitter, and especially don't keep up with the shit storms that come and go. But just because you defend someone does not mean you share their values or beliefs. So while it is entirely possible Palmers girlfriend might be racist. I don't feel like I could discern that the 3 tweets that I've actually seen. And if it looks like I'm being some sort of racist apologist that is not the intent. I feel like I've never being good at getting my points across in a concise manner. So some of my points may have come across as shittier than intended.



  • @Musou-Tensei Not flip flopping. I'm asking you to prove your statement that people in that thread joined in with Gizmodo in inciting harassment against Palmer Luckey's girlfriend. It's a simple request. You made the statement.

    I don't believe it happened. Is it out of the realm of possibility? No, but I'm not the one making blanket statements on potential possibilities as if it was a fact. That's you. :)



  • @maximumbueno said in NeoGaf's EZA thread. I want to comment!:

    @TokyoSlim No? I mean I'll admit I'm lacking context especially in regards to the milo thing as I don't get on twitter

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/technology/twitter-bars-milo-yiannopoulos-in-crackdown-on-abusive-comments.html?_r=0



  • @TokyoSlim thanks for the link.