Dear Bosman - Live with YouTube Gaming
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Finally watched it too.
Damn Jaffe comes off as a bitter, bitter man. It's not even like Bosman trashed the game or said it was going to be bad, he just mocked the edgy/vulgar tone which he doesn't appreciate.
If you're a game creator and a guy like Bosman takes a dig at your game, you roll with it, you reply something funny. Have some self-derision!
Personally, there was an indie game I worked on that was "reviewed" on Zero Punctuation, as you can imagine he didn't say anything pleasant, but hell, I was just stoked he was even mentioning it, and he had valid points anyway.
Thumbs up to Shu though, awesome of him to stand up for him.
I'm very curious to see if Kyle will follow up on this in the next episode.
naltmank last edited by
I kind of don't feel like watching because I'm not down with that negativity, but at the same time I'm curious about what Shu said (dude is a legend). Worthwhile or eh?
terminallybill last edited by
@naltmank He just said he loves Kyle Bosman, thinks he's very funny, and that he used to be a stand up comedian so his background in comedy might rub some comedic types the wrong way
naltmank last edited by
@terminallybill What a class act
terminallybill last edited by
@naltmank absolutely. That episode of Final Bosman he's in was one of my favorites too
Faaip last edited by
Heheh those guys seemed pretty shocked when Shu called them out for bashing Kyle. They didn't know what to say
Minamik last edited by
Lol, Jaffe is still salty about it. Wow.
Minamik last edited by Minamik
Not everyone has serenaded Shuhei Yoshida. Of course he loves Kyle.
He also thinks that the Bloodborne musical is hilarious. I think he even asked them if they'd do a musical for the new God of War, haha.
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@TheHashtag0nist What happened? lol
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@Sentinel-Beach They're Greg and Colin fanboys, they're gonna go with whatever they tell them to. Tbh I was let down by those two here, they should have acted more professional. Thank goodness Shu was there to put them in their place.
That's how they were at IGN too, I've had encounters with Miller when he was still there. Him and colin flipflopped so much on which fanboy side they were on for 360 and PS3, it was rather sickening.
I don't get their style of "Humor" either, the way they opened the show was just cringeworthy.
But yeah, if Jaffe is actually serious he's a bigger fool than I thought. Not to mention he's stuck in a timewarp, his explanation for why his game needed to go retail over F2P is ridiculous, not to mention smells like a weak game.
Kyle was right on the money, literally.
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No offence to Jaffee as an artist or designer, but I'd go as far to say that Twisted Metal Black or even TM3 wasn't even nearly as great as the first two and God of War was an outstanding game but idk if he's made anything very good after that.
Twisted Metal PS3 was good but it had a lifeless art direction, and modes that didn't necessarily compliment the style of gameplay the game creates. I really don't think he's had a very good game since 2005.
I bring this up because I'm unsure where he gets the entitlement. Everybody including artists are allowed opinions but he seems like the type to have a block list in the thousands because he doesn't wanna hear anybody disagree with him.
Not to mention Kyle's motto is LOVE & RESPECT.
PhillipsPoloEmporium last edited by
It's funny that Kyle has a weekly stream where he takes low budget games that are solidly in underwhelming territory and actively searches for redeeming qualities by playing through them. Real poisonous guy for games creators.
Jaffe should understand that he creates entertainment - there will be people who like what you make and people who don't. Kyle's a games journalist - his job is to be a credible figure that voices his opinions on video games and developments in the industry that creates them to the public. A lot of his thoughts and opinions are put through a comedic process, that many find endearing. The only way to effectively silence critics is to make a good game. Don't hurl personal insults at people doing their job - make the game good. That's all.
Ikataishou last edited by
Finally found the video I was thinking about. Just Played: Drawn to Death. Kyle knows Jaffe better then Jaffe knows himself. Kind of creepy predictions but a lot of Context.^^
@Ikataishou Great find! It's crazy indeed how Bosman predicted Jaffe's exact reaction. And this is actually the first time I see gameplay of Drawn to Death, and it does look like an ugly, ugly game :/
Sieghardt last edited by
I bet Kyle would be totally down for Rakugaki Showtime instead
Mango last edited by
@Ikataishou thanks for the video link. Brandon brings up some really good points in that video
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During Kinda Funny Live, Shu commented that he is a huge fan of Kyle Bosman, and that he is a comedian. And sometimes, comedians can rub creators the wrong way.
Personally, I think Shuhei Yoshida put a pin in the whole situation with his response in the same video.
I'm at work now, so if anyone can grab the timestamp for Shuhei commenting on Bosman (it's later in the video)
Tragosaurus last edited by Tragosaurus
Edit after watching myself: He doesn't say much, just that he loves Kyle, thinks he's really funny, and reminds everyone that Kyle is a comedian.
I personally think Jaffe needed to calm down (obviously its over now). All Kyle has really said is that he doesn't like the art style and the look of it, and that it looks like its trying to be super edgy. I agree with both of those comments. I think the game visually looks terrible, not appealing to me at all, but that's not to say people can't like it. Playing the game won't change my feeling about the art direction. I assume Jaffe's tweets were about the Dear Bosman segment, which was even less significant than the GT video about it that @Ikataishou posted here. Jaffe can clearly say whatever he wants such as Kyle being a jerk, just like Kyle made jokes about it Drawn To Death, but Jaffe just came off really whiny.
TheHashtag0nist last edited by
As much as we all love Kyle, it's important to note that all Jaffe saw of him was his segment which was overall a little snarky. Of course, we have the full CONTEXT and know Kyle actually LOVES video games, but if that segment is your only frame of reference I can totally see how people think "Oh another one of them hot takes from somebody who has no idea what it takes to make games".