The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (NS/WiiU)

  • @Black-Cell Mario is generally one of the most innovative franchises out there so this really is a null point.

    I'll give you that Zelda generally sticks to what it knows but it's had some pretty significant changes over the years and BotW looks like another one of those.

    Neither franchise feels stale to me.

  • @Black-Cell Are you saying that in response to the latest trailer, or just generally? What's bugging you?

    I think the 3D Zelda / Mario games are always new in many respects. Even Skyward Sword couldn't have been accused of being stagnant.

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    For HUBER!, Rupee has revealed it's self.

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  • @Drifter Yeah, I saw that as well. I'm not sure if it counts not being in the conference itself, but who can say. I'm regretting not sticking to my gut for the conference itself and betting zero rupees.

    In any case, it looked like it came from the metal crates Link blew up, not the bokoblin themselves. I like how rare money looks to be.

  • @Black-Cell It's a weird time to say something like that when this entry is shaking up the usual formula so much more than most entries. Hell, I wouldn't even say that about Zelda in general considering all the weird places it has gone. Skyward Sword was motion control swordfighting. Twilight Princess you turned into a wolf with an imp riding you. Windwaker you were sailing. Majora's Mask you had a time limit and tons of masks. All that is much more change than usual franchise iterations.

  • ~ murmurmurmur and I honestly really hope Zelda keeps the traditional dungeon format of getting an item and using it in different ways throughout that set of puzzles murmurmurmur ~

    And keep in mind there is a 0% chance that cryonis, stasis, magnesis, bombs, fire, and the paraglider are all of Breath of the Wild's puzzle tools. I can't wait for the new runes / items from shrines, and whatever else cryonis is supposed to do.

  • I really want this game to be good. I have slight criticism from the videos I've seen that the world seems to me too much like "put together". You can sense how the designer wanted to put this tree here and this tree there instead of a world that has been shaped slowly and randomly in million years. It isn't big thing and maybe that is just the Zelda aesthetic and may not matter at all at the end but that was the feeling I got from the trailers.

  • @Black-Cell Do you ever post a constructive message on these forums? All you ever say is how every major series is overrated and crap, apart from System Shock and Deus Ex or something. And of course you never justify any of your claims. It's getting really, really old.

  • @Doctor-Professor but they didn't find a continent til spirit tracks

  • @Farsendor skyward sword was still very character/story driven without the voiced dialog. the fact that this has it should be icing on the cake for you. it just seems like you want another witcher

  • @Ivanhoe I guess it's difficult to strike that balance. You want a game's aesthetic and world to feel natural and organic, but at the same time you need intention and a guiding hand in crafting the world. I generally prefer very intentional game design as opposed to the randomization seen in procedurally generated content. It allows for set-piece moments and hidden secrets and better enemy encounters, but you have to be careful to avoid too much of an artificial feel and "video-gaminess" in your levels.

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    Lol, anyway @Ivanhoe, I have very different thoughts about the level design and agree more with @Billy's sentiment. There has never been a video game where I couldn't see the seams — certainly not one where the world appeared to be formed naturally by geological and evolutionary forces, haha.

    Traditional 3D Zelda games' puzzles make me feel like they are each special, sacred things. Each item has a weight and permanence to it, and they interact with the world in a litany of specific, planned ways. I really value this feeling of attuning with and appreciating level design, and get it with very few other games (basically just Bethesda games since Skyrim).

    Breath of the Wild is undoubtably (if you know the difference between 'edly' and 'ably,' you may be able to find the same joke I see this thread today) very different. It's world, like many other open worlds, is large and has a lot less thought put into every parcel of land.

    Instead of, for instance, a tree falling over a defined gap in a traditional Zelda, not trees can be chopped down from any angle. Even when you chop a tree down at the right gap, it's up to the game's physics engine and your specific inputs to determine whether the tree falls across the gap or not.

    Though pretty well against 'going open world' by now, I'm very open minded when it comes to games earnestly trying something new. Especially when Breath is doing cool things with the deku leaf paraglider and fire spreading systems. I just hope these new type of 'dynamic' puzzles can compare to the older variety in terms of quality, not just quantity or 'replayability.'

    I am very heartened by the circle of stones atop Mount Hylia — a very smart puzzle that Damiani ran past in his video. Suffice it to say, I think I have the answer already, and it calls upon knowledge from Ocarina of Time in an interesting but not exclusive way.

    The guardian mini(?)-boss fights are the other thing that gives me confidence in Breath's ability to be a new type of 3D Zelda of the same quality. To be as brief as possible, the guardians crawl across the land very fast, rendering Link a sitting duck on foot. Once on horseback, he can evade the guardian's laser blasts with proper movement, but only just by an inch (ala Inside). The guardian's laser blasts create fires and updrafts as they strike grass, creating dynamic weak points for Link to leap from his horse to, ride up on his paraglider, and utilize the window provided by his stamina bar to land a slow mo arrow shot on the guardian's eye (see: Zelda boss tropes 101). Striking the eye with an arrow (or the hull with a sufficient force such as a bomb arrow) of course briefly shuts down the construct, giving Link enough time to remount or aim another stunning shot.

    It's this kind of exemplar balance that I've come to expect from a Zelda game, and am very heartened that Breath has so far nailed in a completely new format with less controls.

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  • I really hope they have a good fast travel system... Skyrim was already too large for my taste. Any comparison to Xenoblade X?

  • @Musou-Tensei Link can fast travel to every shrine and tower after he does the little opening animation. Towers allow Link a good radius to glide down from.

    @DisturbedSwan I think Breath of the Wild won't feel too much larger than Skyrim because of the new traversal options. Horse-riding, climbing, and paragliding will allow Link to cross plains quickly, ascend cliffs without going around, and glide down easily without looking for a path down.

  • @DisturbedSwan Wow. I hope they fill it with stuff haha

  • @Musou-Tensei was xenoblade bigger then skyrim?

  • @DisturbedSwan Good grief, I knew it was going to be big and open, but I would never have guessed anywhere close to that big. The nice thing about Zelda titles (which I hope and believe will remain the same) is the amount of things to discover and secrets to find and just a well-realized world. I doubt it'll be a lot of redundant empty spaces, which is likely a reason it has taken so long to make. Patience pays off; I'm sure it'll be amazing and packed with content.

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    I just noticed how fast that stamina bar depletes while running.

    It's like I'm REALLY playing Dragons Dogma!

  • @DisturbedSwan And for what it's worth, someone also posted

    that estimates Breath at a mere sixth of the size (60 sq. km as opposed to 360.) I'm not convinced anyone has gotten the scales down yet, but it doesn't matter because bigger games aren't always better. Unless they're Skyrim or Zelda, but I would mostly attribute those games' quality to the fact that they are Skyrim and Zelda ;)

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