Some reflection on 2016

  • @tokeeffe9 The category this post is in is "comments and feedback", as I deemed it appropriate. I gave feedback, which was of course very subjective, but I tried to support my claims with practical examples. For me thing that I communicated matter a lot, which is a reason I even wrote this.
    I never said that they ignore PC scene, but it is definitely overshadowed by Sony and Nintendo. That much is obvious. Both from reviews, games and events they stream and how they do it.

    Then you just have those who prefer to play certain games on console and if you have a PS4 why would you play a multiplatform game on Xbox?

    Look who lacks constructive criticism now. Maybe some people own Xbox because they like controller or platform exclusives more. Maybe their friends play on Xbox? Ever thought about that?

    Are YOU serious? I'm saying that the way they communicate the suggestions across are poorly executed and I gave reasons why. I gave FEEDBACK. I'm not criticising that they give advice, but telling how it comes across. If you misunderstood that, than sorry for poor phrasing.

    I'm from Europe. Most of their streams happen from 23 pm until 7 am here. So at the worst time.
    I'm not trying to shame EZA or anything. i understand they are net godlike, but try to put yourself in my situation.

  • The discussion about the rating system I do think has merit. I also know that the Allies discussed it, and came to the decision on the 5 star system. So it's their choice.
    Personally I never think rating games works, I would prefer a more general would you recommend this to your friend idea.

    And yes there are some holes in coverage, sure. Sports games don't get talked about much, and indie games tend to get forgotten unless they are huge. But that's to be expected with a small group who aren't all even full time. It's fine. It might be nice to see an area on the site for community reviews, which might supplement the Allies well.

  • @Nillend

    I'm talking in the context of the streams they do and play. If someone has more friends on Xbox and wants to play there, that's great. It just seems a bit silly that you're bothered they play most of their games on a PS4. Even more so now that you've given reasons why one might prefer a console over another.

    Your reason is just that people might not own that device or whatever it is. If so, just ignore it. I don't want a disclaimer that I need to own a PC or a cinema just so it's cool that they recommend stuff. Also, half the time they mention something is on sale is because someone in chat tells them it is.

    Apologies on the stream comment, I thought you mentioned you were in Australia and was surprised when you said they were on at bad times. I agree that it'd be very nice to have more varied times that suited other regions in the world. Hopefully they'll be able to do something about that if it's possible for them.

  • @tokeeffe9 I really don't understand you way of thinking here, but you do raise a good topic for discussion: should you care for content on a system or service you don't own and why?

  • @Nillend I'm personally totally fine with it. I always take it as something to keep an eye on for when I might be able to purchase that item or it's available on something I own.

  • @Nillend I'm in the same boat as @tokeeffe9 on this one. I've pretty much accepted at this point that, until I have a stable source of income and have my student loan debts paid off, I'm going to be pretty behind on the console generations. But I know that when I can afford to, I'll be picking up something in this generation of consoles (since by then, the next generation will probably already be out). Having information that can inform my future purchases is nice, and knowing what games are available where and what platform multi-platform games perform best on is a huge part of that decision.

  • Are you upset that they don't play multiplatform games on Xbox or PC? If so, why does it matter? It's the same game either way

  • @alexwhiteplays @tokeeffe9 I'm clearly on the other side here. I have enough problems with the system(s) I have, so I can't afford to keep an eye on a platform that I have no intention to get. I spend enough time and money on the ones I own already, so to keep up to date with something that is unnecessary for me.
    Also it's worth noting that I'm fine with missing a boat. If I miss a game I have no problem leaving it behind. I usually don't bother with games older than 5 years.

  • @NCartwright15 No, I used that as an argument that they are a group much more focused on Playstation, as it is their platform of choice. I'm upset that I'm not in that same audience and I feel like a lot of stuff they cover doesn't concern me because of the divide of tastes and preferences we have.

    And for better and worse, it can end up quite a different game because of how well it's optimized for certain platform

  • @Nillend What did they not cover on Xbox this year though? List the Xbox One exclusives and check the reviews, most of the big games they have covered. They also covered from PC only games this year as well, so i don't know where this is coming from. Other than that, i see no problem really.

    L & R

  • @NCartwright15 For Xbox, there werent many exclusives anyway. But I would like their opinions on some good steam games from this year. Stardew Valley, Stellaris, Total war: Warhammer and Valley come to mind. I missed sports game coverage. And while it's not their bread and butter, I would like to hear them discuss PC compnents and eSports.

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    I think something to be aware of is that our platform preferences and game preferences can be two really different things. Like when someone's stoked about Yakuza*, they're just stoked about Yakuza. It's not about it being a "great game for PlayStation" it's just a great game that everyone should try. (*I personally haven't played Yakuza myself yet, but it's a good current example.)

    Personally I bounce between platforms just entirely based on the game I'm currently playing. I do play more multiplatform games on PS4 than Xbox, but that's as much about myself as it is the industry right now. Since the PS4 has the higher install base and the perceived technical advantage, more games get distributed on PS4. If I get a game on Xbox though, I really don't care. I like both controllers well enough and don't feel like the differences between consoles are that big of a deal. I do like the PS4 menus better, especially the share button. It just feels so much simpler for me to use. (The stores are all garbage though.)

    I think that the real difference in your perception comes with the fact that we are just more interested in the games that happen to be exclusive to PlayStation. We aren't mediocre on Gears of War 4 because it's an Xbox game. We're just not that into Gears in general. Conversely, while I like both Forza and Gran Turismo, I've always felt that Forza has been more forward thinking and consistent in its design, while GT takes a broader approach that ends up leaving more weak spots. The Forza Horizon series especially has risen to be one of my favorite sets of racing games so far.

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    @Nillend said in Some reflection on 2016:

    @NCartwright15 For Xbox, there werent many exclusives anyway. But I would like their opinions on some good steam games from this year. Stardew Valley, Stellaris, Total war: Warhammer and Valley come to mind. I missed sports game coverage. And while it's not their bread and butter, I would like to hear them discuss PC compnents and eSports.

    Stardew Valley came out when neither GT nor EZA were in existence. I feel like it got some mentions here and there, but sort of makes sense that it got left behind. Ben was going to do something with Total War: Warhammer, just ended up taking on a few too many projects, but I think he regrets not getting more significant coverage. Ian checked out Valley, but I think he just wasn't that into it.

    Sports games - sorry that's just not for any of us, aside from Huber and MLB. That's just not something you're going to get from us unless we someday bring in someone new that really cares about them. Same goes for PC components.

    Ben has some interest in eSports, but one thing we learned when trying to cover it at GT is that it takes as much focus, budget, and manpower as everything else we're doing combined. It's an entirely different world that takes a lot of time, knowledge, and resources to cover in a way that's relevant.

  • @Bloodworth maybe not you, but the Allies commonly gravitate towards playstation and nintendo system, be it because of games or system preference. These two things walk hand in hand.

  • @Bloodworth, Thank you so much for taking the time to address the comments and discussion @Nillend started.

    I have been a long time fan since the GT days, and was excited when EA launched. I also have commonly found a pretty strong Sony bias on the material and opinions EA represents.

    This weeks podcast highlighted it again. Ian mentioned that Xbox's resolution should be, and I have to paraphrase, to be less corporate and relate more to gamers. I find Kyle many times has had to challenge opinions on Microsoft that seem to stem from the admittedly bad reception of the initial launch of the Xbox One.

    And to be fair, Xbox damage control has been pretty spot on since. Between the total abandonment of DRM and the Kinect, to the implementation of backwards compatibility and Play Anywhere, Microsoft's focus has clearly been on delivering what people who buy games for Microsoft platforms want. No one still talks about how out of touch Sony was when they launched the PS3.

    I'm not suggesting anything needs fixing or changing, but I appreciate someone has mentioned how rough Microsoft gets it during podcasts and discussions at EA while Sony praise comes pretty easy. My friends and I who enjoy EA have long discussed how much value someone with a stronger interest in Microsoft's offering would bring to discussions.

    At any rate, thank you again for engaging with the people who enjoy what you do.

    All the best.

  • @kariwgoebel In that same podcast, the entire panel mentioned that Games for Gold was a much better value this month and that overall, it was the better option last year. In previous episodes, Kyle pointed out Xbox was outselling the PS4 and the panel discussed as to the reasons behind this. It feels disingenuous to say Microsoft has it "rough" when the Allies discuss it. I personally find the conversation (at least in regards to consoles) to be relatively balanced. What it comes down to is exclusives for this generation. Sony has had a ton that have done well both critically and financially. Microsoft's exclusives largely fall into the category of "more of the same." Gears 4 didn't do anything to shake up the formula, Jones still gave it a decent review, and Huber still streamed it for a lengthy amount of time.

    I love the Vita. I think it's a fantastic handheld that still does have great games released for it and it is by far my handheld of choice. However, I don't get upset that they hardly discuss the Vita or that the 3DS is brought into the conversation more often. I fully realize that Sony made some errors in support/marketing and that the 3DS is the dominant device. Expecting them to cover the Vita more often and then feeling alienated if they choose not to is unreasonable to say the least.

    Easy Allies is a vast gaming umbrella that covers many different bases but it can't cover them all, there's not enough time or resources to do so. I'd much rather have them play what they want to play, review what they want to review, and phrase things how they wish to. If we as a community begin to nitpick to the point where we need them to say disclaimers before recommending a game/movie/TV show to us, or we begin to focus on the percentage of which our favorite consoles are covered, we really lose sight of what this is all about. We are given so much content and with such high quality, I'm grateful for it all. If actual issues ever arise, I'm all for discussing them but nearly every complaint lodged in this thread feels misguided or entitled. Basically, we're throwing gasoline on a non-issue.

  • @SabotageTheTruth Awesome and thank you for the response.

    I particularly enjoyed the first paragraph. I brought up a point and you had a counter point. That's sufficient.

    I was not suggesting anything needs to change or needs to be defended, or registering a complaint. I agree that disclaimers on statements of opinion are a symptom of some awful new social rules, yet somehow similar disclaimers I included in the original comment seem to be overlooked.

    I like the coverage from EA, E32016 was great. I still remember how Ian and Huber suggested that Play Anywhere made owning an Xbox irrelevant. I think the general attitudes of the Allies are indicative of the larger market overall in regards to the competition between Sony and Microsoft. And that view is biased.

    Again bias isn't a problem. Sony has earned it.

    Just a side note to the Gears 4 review, Brandon's review is in the bottom 10% of the almost 97 reviews on Opencritic. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, it's a review, but from a sheer statistical standpoint based on that criteria it's in the minority. One of the critiques about the ending also seemed to demonstrate a lack of knowledge on what the ending meant in the Gears franchise. That might be a fair criticism on the Coalition being a little too subtle with the implications. Still I didn't bring it up mainly because Bloodworth already addressed it and in a much more convincing way might I add.

    Sometimes I wonder why I post comments on the internet at all. Misguided, entitled, I'm neither of those things nor have they been demonstrated. Why do we only have to discuss issues? Can't we also discuss things we like? Can't we discuss things we notice and feel? And maybe I am wrong, can't we discuss that too?

    All the best

  • @kariwgoebel I should have been more clear. The first paragraph was a direct response to your comment, the rest of what I said wasn't really directed towards you, just the conversation as a whole. When it gets to the point where people are offended strictly by phrasing (especially if they're aware of intent) that's where the entitlement comes from, which is probably the part that bothers me the most.

  • @SabotageTheTruth OK awesome. I actually didn't agree with most of what was posted in the previous comments on the thread probably the same ones you reference. Thanks for taking the time.

    If we are offering suggestions however, get Bosman a studio.

  • @kariwgoebel Get the whole team a studio, absolutely.

    To spin this more in a positive light, I really hope that goal is reached this year. I know there's about $10,000-$12,000 left to go but just seeing what this team is capable of operating out of a garage makes me realize some fantastic stuff is on the horizon. Spread the word, up donations (if financially plausible), share videos on social media, whatever it takes to increase exposure. I seem to always get compliments on my Love & Respect shirt, so it gives me a chance to plug these fellas.