Brandon Plays Pokémon - Official Discussion Thread



  • Just watched the latest ep (episode 7), and this is one of my favorites series. I am a bit disappointed they wont be doing one on the second gen, cause it would have been exciting to see what Jones would think of all the changes.

    When Jones was talking about the money thing in the episode it reminded me of something interesting that I thought you might like to know. If you ever where like" hey how come when I beat this kid he just gives me like 400 dollars, like how is that kid so loaded". As I'm sure you are aware these games come from Japan. While in America they always use what fans like to call "pokedollars", in all the Japanese games they just use yen. so in the game when ever you look at your money instead of seeing that weird P symbol (which is based off of one of the symbols for yen) it would just say like 400円(yen). From what I remember of the exchange rate 400 yen is like about $4 so the kid is actually just giving you pocket money. the same with when you buys something from the store and its like 1000 "pokedollars" its really just like $10.

    Also a side note , idk if it is possible or even if they would be willing to do it , but I feel if Kyle and Jones watched that pokemon anime OVA that came out a while back called pocket monsters: the origin. I think it might give them some new perspectives on some of the things that happen in the game (minus all the mega evolution stuff the shoehorned into it at the end) I think it a really good retelling of what the original games story is supposed to be. maybe it will also contextualize some of the stuff in the game for them.

    so yea this is getting kinda rambley, but I can't wait so see the final battle



  • About the final word where they criticize the logic of Pokemon difficulty, it really does make sense that the the smarter trainers would have more Pokemon as a sign of their difficulty. It really comes down to the design, and how designing a mechanically sound game can get in the way of designing a game that suspends the player's belief.

    I'm certain that the focus was to keep the difficulty of the trainers low because it's a game with a target audience of the younger crowd. The designer probably had a plan of how many encounters the player would go through and how long it will take them to get from one objective to another, so as soon as the designer starts balancing based on feedback, they realize that it's too hard, they have to remove pokemon, or it's too short from one objective to another, so they have to split encounters into two. The thought of making it believable is thrown out the window, and I would expect that dialogue is one of the last things on the designers mind that they randomly thought of dialogue that fits the setting rather than making sure the context of the dialogue makes sense with the gameplay.

    I like to call game designers something else more appropriate: magicians, or illusionists to be precise. A game designers job is to make sure that they can trick the player into believing that they are in that world. Spreadsheets, maths, all of that are just tools to obtain that goal as the designs have to be perfect so it won't take the player out of the game just like it did with Brandon. Just the simple idea that Gym trainers not holding 6 pokemon is enough to break the suspense of disbelief.

    It's not a big deal since the game is mechanically sound for an open RPG, but they could definitely improve this design.



  • I was thinking it might also be to keep trainers from having a lot of overlapping pokemon , remember the trainers and gym leaders are mostly broken up into type and its gen one so there aren't like a bazillion of each type yet. So for team diversity sake they probably didnt give everyone six even later in the game. If they kept giving everyone 6 pokemon at some point they would run out of unique team combos. especially if you didn't want every team to be first stage of pokemon then evolved form.



  • @WiedThin well that was a theme in x and y



  • @CaptainSlug That's not the point they were trying to make. They were saying that when a trainer has a dialogue saying, "I am the master of water pokemon" and only throws out one of the same type and only has three of them, then their dialogue shouldn't say they are the master.

    Trainers with 6 Pokemon should be reserved for Gym trainers and the Gym Leader especially. Gyms are supposed to be the boss battle, but you just fight Misty who only has two Pokemon.



  • Brandon seems dead set on Sun & Moon. I guess it would be more fun for him that way since he'll be playing head-to-head with Kyle (despite what we think is the best next step objectively).

    Though, Brandon's head will probably explode from the information overload. xD



  • @Crimz said in Brandon Plays Pokémon - Official Discussion Thread:

    Brandon seems dead set on Sun & Moon. I guess it would be more fun for him that way since he'll be playing head-to-head with Kyle (despite what we think is the best next step objectively).

    Though, Brandon's head will probably explode from the information overload. xD

    That's what I was thinking: how is he gonna handle the GIGANTIC changes in gameplay when he jumps from Gen 1 to Gen 7? All those new types, the Attack/Sp. Attack changes, the double battles, abilities, natures, held items... And let's not forget that he'll suddenly have 550+ new Pokémon to learn about.



  • @Krauser said in Brandon Plays Pokémon - Official Discussion Thread:

    @Crimz said in Brandon Plays Pokémon - Official Discussion Thread:

    Brandon seems dead set on Sun & Moon. I guess it would be more fun for him that way since he'll be playing head-to-head with Kyle (despite what we think is the best next step objectively).

    Though, Brandon's head will probably explode from the information overload. xD

    That's what I was thinking: how is he gonna handle the GIGANTIC changes in gameplay when he jumps from Gen 1 to Gen 7? All those new types, the Attack/Sp. Attack changes, the double battles, abilities, natures, held items... And let's not forget that he'll suddenly have 550+ new Pokémon to learn about.

    Brandon's notes each week for Sun and Moon.

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  • Brandon said a bunch of times they aren't planning on doing a "Brandon Plays Pokemon" for Sun & Moon.

    Although I wouldn't mind at least a "First Impressions". Maybe not its own video, but as an add-on to a group night stream or podcast.



  • @Stormcrownn I hope they change their mind on that, I'm hoping anyway since they'll have a few months in between the games.

    It's up to them, of course, but I always will be happy for more of this series and I think him playing through a new game at the same time as Kyle could be fun. I assume the holidays will be busy for them though.



  • @Inustar said in Brandon Plays Pokémon - Official Discussion Thread:

    @Stormcrownn I hope they change their mind on that, I'm hoping anyway since they'll have a few months in between the games.

    It's up to them, of course, but I always will be happy for more of this series and I think him playing through a new game at the same time as Kyle could be fun. I assume the holidays will be busy for them though.

    Yeah it would be great, but Brandon has said that it has been more difficult to enjoy the game outright when he has the shadow of the show looming over him. He did say there would be a discussion episode or two with him and Kyle once they finish.



  • Hey does anyone know if Jones is aware of Red/Blue pokemon exclusivity as well as trading exclusive evolutions?

    Also, updated the OP for episode 7 :)



  • @Lexad I agree with his thoughts, but I would be dying during those 1-2 months waiting for what he thinks of the game. Getting a few tweets for his first impressions would be so not right.



  • @SweetJohnnyCage I'm pretty sure he doesn't know, no.

    @Stormcrownn said in Brandon Plays Pokémon - Official Discussion Thread:

    Brandon said a bunch of times they aren't planning on doing a "Brandon Plays Pokemon" for Sun & Moon.

    They don't need to, just the fact that Brandon will jump from Gen 1 to Gen 7 is going to be hard for him to keep up with, even if its a casual playthrough.

    I'd much rather have a Brandon Plays Pokémon on Gold/Silver/Crystal. Release those on Virtual Console, Nintendo. Make it happen.



  • And it makes more sense because Gen2 is kind of a direct sequel to Gen1...

    Imagine his reactions to Team Rocket coming back, seeing old characters in the Elite 4, going back to Kanto, and battling against Red. I'm especially concerned about the last one, Red has made many appearances since then and it would obviously spoil the surprise.

    I really hope they reconsider, for Jones' sake.



  • Easily the best EZA videos,alot of fun to watch.



  • Damn super nostalgic. After this episode I went to my basement and looked around for 5 minutes if I still had my link cable. Yup still there with my green gameboy pocket.



  • The live trading is cool. Bosman's great idea with the phone camera cut was genius.

    There was something that sparked an idea in me during the trading conversation. When they were talking about how Bosman revealed his lineup, that's when I realized this idea. It would be super cool if your friends in your whatever Nintendo friend list thing become mini bosses in your game. It's like the Old Monk boss battle of Demon's Souls where you get pulled into a PVP battle with having all of your gear, and you're the boss for that player.

    So the idea would be that the friends would occupy a certain spot in various areas (not Gym masters) in the world with their line up, but having all of the Pokemons and skill set. Also, it would only take the Pokemon that they had up to the point they cleared that area so that it would be fair in terms of levels and skill set. You would also be able to tell it is a special PVP friend npc because it looks totally different from other NPCs. Have these scattered around the world to alleviate the 'dumb Pokemon trainers with no 6 pokemons' problem. I think it would be super sweet to fight your friends in an asynchronous PVP system.



  • Really hope Jones plays Heart Gold/Soul Silver at some point. It's soooooo good! Am thinking of going back and playing it myself, it's been over 6 years since I played it.

    Would be really cool to have a community playthrough with a knockout tournament at the end too!



  • Honestly I'd find it much more interesting to see how Brandon copes with the "This is how it is now" aspect of diving right into a brand new generation. So much stuff mechanically has changed, but at the same time there hasn't been a pokemon game in ages that didn't have a "Pokemon School" or something that straight up teaches you every mechanic in the game so he really should be fine in that regard. The whole flow of Gold and Silver would spoil how the new ones present it anyway, and that's something I'm pretty sure should be saved as a wow factor (for better or worse).