Nintendo Switch January 12th Event
TokyoSlim last edited by
It's about a year too early to look at this and say it's got better launch titles than the PS4.
It's got LESS games than the PS4 at launch.
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@TokyoSlim Important clarification : the Switch will have less games the entire first year of being released than the PS4 did on its first day. If you add in the reality of delays, it may look even more dire. So the counterpoint naturally is quality over quantity and while this new Zelda might actually be one of the few rare worthwhile titles in the franchise (yeah, I said it), that still doesn't justify the price. I've been anticipating Persona 5 with such a reckless fervor since the 4th was released but if it became exclusive to a console I didn't own and cost me around $360 total to purchase, I certainly wouldn't be defending the decision.
Luckily, I own a WiiU so... If I really, really have to play Zelda this year, I've got a cheaper option that honestly doesn't seem much different from the Switch option. Are there any notable differences between the two versions?
@TokyoSlim Yep, but these re-released and new Nintendo games are of a high order than Black Flag, Battlefield 4, etc.
I'm not saying the year is packed or even 'good,' I'm just saying that I didn't buy a PS4 until late 2014 because literally none of the launch titles interested me.
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@Haru17 How quickly you forget the PS4 launched with Knack... It doesn't get any better than that.
@Haru17 See, and that's where I vehemently disagree. It's quite possible that a cross gen open world Zelda isn't actually any better than ACIV:Black Flag, a cross gen open world AC game - but you're too invested in Zelda to even consider that possibility before you've even played it. You've already decided it's better and that's that. That's fine, just don't expect me to just take your word for it. :)
FWIW, I don't even like the other AC games, but Black Flag inspired me to learn how to sail boats. So I count it as one of my favorite games of the generation.
Otherwise, you've got Skylanders and Just Dance, which you also weren't interested in when they were PS4 launch titles. And 1 2 Switch, a $50 collection of minigames.
Bomberman might be as fun as Resogun, if you're lucky :)
What else you got?
Alexander Parry last edited by
I think the biggest problem with me is that I actually had faith in Nintendo. There was a chance that maybe they would actually learn something. But of course not!
It's really annoying because the machine actually looks great. However the price point, the lack of games (I have a Wii U for Zelda), the insulting online subscription (I'm happy to pay for a service as good as XBL).
Honestly it's actually hilarious how bad this is. I'm sure I'll buy this console but at launch their is no point considering how many games are coming out in Q1 for the other consoles.
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@Haru17 I should probably clarify that I love Wind Waker, but that it's absolutely an exception to the rule in my eyes and that like 99% of my love comes from the fact that sailing (along with flying) is my favorite thing to do in a game and I didn't care about things like the dungeons or bosses much at all.
Which is why I'd also disagree that the Switch's launch has better games than Black Flag. Man I've literally never even played another AC game (besides some godawful DS one) but I really dug Black Flag.
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@Haru17 This is a non-argument though and a waste of time even mentioning it. The Switch isnt competing with the PS4 and Xbox One at launch. It's competing with them now and one game isn't good enough.
@TokyoSlim Let's just step back a bit and address the ridiculousness of this situation. Assassin's Creed, a game near universally reviled or filed under 'meh,' has a boat gimmick one year and everyone goes crazy. Meanwhile, Breath isn't a top down side game or Hyrule Warriors — it's a no expense spared 3D Zelda blockbuster. Just look at it! The oozing polish its replete with is self-evident.
I haven't played Breath, but I've (so far) seen all of the weapons, all of the enemy attacks, seen the incredibly complex and yet easily readable physics system. Fire burns grass which causes updrafts, Link can leap from a horse's back to ride updrafts upon the paraglider, and the guardian minibosses' lasers set fire to the fields of grass that they are found within, dynamically creating weaknesses and moments of opportunity to attack them from. All of these systems are super complex and unattainable by almost every other developer, and yet so easily understandable at a glance. Moreover, it's Zelda so everyone who has played one knows how perfectly it will control.
There are a myriad of more particular reasons backing this, but just understand that Breath of the Wild is The Wind Waker 2.0 in terms of being another open world Zelda with similar design sensibilities. I don't know how you've only enjoyed The Wind Waker — I guess you might enjoy the sparse open world one with the worst dungeons and puzzles if you don't enjoy dungeons and puzzles for no good reason. The Wind Waker is the thinnest a 3D Zelda game can be while still being a 10 in my book, with Skyward Sword unremarkable by both Zelda series and the lesser standards of normal games.
But yeah, I think you'll probably enjoy Breath if Wind Waker was your favorite / the only one you enjoyed for some inexplicable reason that haunts your soul like a happiness-draining dementor. It's got similar elements to The Wind Waker while replacing all the shit ocean bits with a real, terrestrial open world that isn't as poorly shaped and utterly slow to traverse as your Witchers, Xenoblades, or basically any other open world game. The word is still out on dungeons. And horses are better than boats because you can stab people while riding them. (And they don't hit trees.)
@Alexander-Parry Lol, the Switch isn't competing with other consoles. It's the only handheld on the market until someone else steps up. Which is why everyone's doom and gloom and reactionary lamenting is going to seem laughable come E3, the holiday, and into next year. Not to mention how Zelda looks more promising than and other game this gen.
Assassin's Creed, a game near universally reviled or filed under 'meh,'
That's just your opinion, though, not reality. Unless you care to explain the 9/10 Steam score or the fact that it was the highest rated user score game of the entire PS4 launch year. Or it's 83 PS4 Meta. Or the fact that two people in this thread have just told you that they like the game. That's not a "near universally reviled game" Take a poll, Black Flag is generally a fairly well thought of game. Hell, GT gave it a 9.2!
Until it comes out, you can not judge, nor tell anyone else how to judge the quality of Breath of the Wild. You are just making hype based assumptions based on the marketing you've seen. Might it be great? Sure. It might also drag in the middle and have a bunch of fetch quests, or totally obtuse mechanics, or disappointing resused dungeons, or any number of other things. The game isn't out yet.
@TokyoSlim I first referred to AC as the series, which was when I said 'near universally reviled. If you think the boat one is great, great. It's still a tacked on feature to a game series that so many people — may of them melee combat buffs — found unappealing otherwise.
And Nintendo's made let's plays of Breath of the Wild for chrissakes, it's core gameplay isn't exactly an unknown quantity. Not to mention that the pedigree carries a bit of weight to most people.
@Haru17 Why are you bringing in every AC game ever when we are specifically discussing launch titles for the PS4/Switch? Cool, What's the metacritic score on Breath of the Wild right now? Since the full quality of the game is already known, it must have review scores already...
@TokyoSlim Because the reviews stated that it had the same core gameplay as every AC game ever.
And did you really just say 'that's just you're opinion,' then site Steam user scores?
@Haru17 Yes, because you posited that your opinion was universal, and i rebutted with evidence to the contrary. Other people have opinions on Black Flag that do not match yours. We are talking about a game that is known, that people have fully played and judged, vs a game that's not even actually out yet. That's the issue.
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I really hope for your sake that the game lives up to your expectations. Even if it does, there's gonna be people out there that don't like it as much as you. And that's totally ok.
@TokyoSlim I think it's hilarious you're resorting to 'that's your opinion' argument when there's a prominent new Zelda game coming out. It's like how everyone writes off this huge launch game. It's just like the Wii U, Nintendo isn't putting out a scattering of forgettable titles. They're launching with this one game, because they expect everyone to buy the system with it. And plenty of people — nostalgia-driven and otherwise — don't comment on subjectivity when they see the new Zelda.
Meanwhile, the online gaming enthusiast crowd are screaming in their loudest nihilistic voices because they want choice like all the multiplatform games whose third party developers decided long ago to stop developing for Wii, when the Switch isn't offering that. It's another system made for Nintendo games, this time the only system they'll be putting stuff out on. It looks like a steady current of very particular games that can only grow more interesting with each E3 and direct.
And don't worry about my sake, worry about spoilers. One of the greats.
I think it's hilarious that you're being so aggressive and patronizing to other people about a video game.
I'm just saying, not one time did I insult or belittle your opinion about how excited you are for Zelda. So far in this thread, you've told someone that they are flat out WRONG for not caring about Zelda, you've read someone's opinion on how their love of the sailing part of Wind Waker was their favorite part of the whole series - and then turned around and told them that they are wrong, and the bits they like are shit. You've continually claimed here (and earlier on Twitch when I brought it up) that the Switch is the only handheld gaming device on the market, when that is objectively false. Not only does the Vita exist, and have damn near as many games coming out for it as the Switch this year (supposedly) - but Nintendo themselves still make another handheld and have repeatedly denied that they are killing off the 3DS when the switch comes out.
For some reason, you fail to see that nobody is "writing off" the Zelda game you're so intently defending. Nobody in this thread has said it's shit, or that nobody gives a crap about Zelda, or anything, or that Breath of the Wild is garbage. You're antagonizing people who are waiting until the game is released before we judge whether or not we want to spend over $400 to play it or not, or just aren't that interested in Zelda. If that's seriously that upsetting to you , you may want to chill out and just sit out the internet for a while.
Also, I'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to people being mad about the Switch not having third party developers. Like 85% of the games coming out for the thing are third party games.
Anyways, I hope you get yourself sorted out. L&R
@TokyoSlim That's quite ad hominem.
I'm sorry that I came off that way and that you feel that way, I'm just very excited for the damn thing and I see a lot of alarmism and bitterness in a community typically more than happy about every other kind of game (see: the other thread). Particularly the notion that it's 'Wii U all over again.' I think that is hilarious (the choice of words I use not to belittle others but rather to state a strong opinion in a less affronting way) because the whole time Wii U was out, people were waiting for Zelda and Metroid, and here this console comes with Zelda all wrapped up as the key launch title.
Furthermore, the nihilistic sentiment that the Switch has failed before release, which ignores the entire of Nintendo's so-far quiet studios. I talk about the Switch as the only handheld on the market because — in the long term — it is the only one on the market. Sony stopped pushing the Vita in NA a while ago now and it's hard to even find in stores. And with reference to Nintendo still selling 3DS, they are doing so because that system was a success and they're trying to ride it out still as the generation changes. Just like with every other third pillar period, Nintendo does not sincerely intend to continue supporting the 3DS year after year. Ultimately, the Switch is going to be the only handheld because it's the only HD / current gen handheld, which is my point. The DS and back are not still on the market.
My point with Wind Waker is the same meme-adjacent criticism that's always been thrown around in this community. 7.8 and too much featureless water. I think it's very clear that Breath is an improvement over the open world in that respect. I'm sorry that my opinion bothers you. I stated it bluntly, but that's what I meant by it. It is not an attack on your personal enjoyment of the game, I am stating my own perspective.
Let's not trade insults, but rather opinions. Although I think I'm done with this particular conversation.
I've never played Wind Waker. You were telling someone else their opinion was shit, not me. I'm just here trying to get things back to being civil. You can express yourself without putting down other people.
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That's quite ad hominem
Dude, that's literally what you're doing.
I'm just very excited for the damn thing and I see a lot of alarmism and bitterness in a community typically more than happy about every other kind of game (see: the other thread)
Yes people have differing opinions. This is normal. You attacking them or claiming that opinions are wrong or whatever does nothing but upset yourself and others. If you just took a step back and realized that it's perfectly ok for people to not be hyped for the same things you are you would be a happier person.
I have heard tons of people say that my favorite games are garbage. Heck my best friend thinks that my favorite game isn't good at all. I don't get upset about this at all.
Also people being sceptical and not super hyped for the Switch (and Zelda) is perfectly understandable.
I think you'll agree that the Switch launch isn't exactly flawless and that the launch lineup isn't stellar. Even Zelda is doing some things differently which justifies people's scepticism. I for example am very sceptical to the new Zelda, especially in regards to the open world aspect. I personally always liked the more handcrafted aspect of the series with significant upgrades and meaningful exploration. This new Zelda seems to have lost some of that.
I mean I could go on but I think the main problem here is that you don't like people being sceptical about things you're hyped for. You view (using your own words here) this as bitterness and nihilism. Which by itself is a very negative mindset to have.
Seriously so what if some people are sceptical? So what if some people even happen to be bitter and cynical? You either ignore it or look to see if there is merit in what they say (which could in turn change your perspective on things). The way you lash out comes off as insecurity or close-mindedness. That you can't handle people thinking differently from you. This could be wrong but that's the way it's perceived.
Just remember that in the same way they are sceptical about things you like, you are sceptical about things they like. Most people (not all) don't just show up to shit on things for no reason. They don't show up just to piss you off so you getting this upset to the point where you start taking a less than civil tone only makes the entire discussion more unpleasant for everyone involved. So either learn to ignore comments that annoy you or accept that the people you're talking to is just like you, people with differing opinions.
At the end of the day having differing opinions is healthy, because never challenging your ideas an living in a bubble is detrimental to you as a human being.
Heck feel free to ignore this entire post I made if you get upset about it and think that I'm a big doodoo head. Just take a step back.