Clearly we got some Persona fans here. Are there any MegaTen (not Persona) fans in the house?



  • Hey guys, your resident #1 Persona fan/P5 enthusiast here. One of the things that's gotten me super excited for Persona 5 is that they are bringing back elements from Persona 1 and 2 that are also apparent in the other MegaTen (Megami Tensei) games. My questions to you all is, other than Persona, which MegaTen games have you played, and out of those which one is your favorite (in case Persona is your favorite, which non-Persona game is your favorite then).

    I'll start off:

    My first non-Persona game was Digital Devil Saga. I loved the story, world, and characters of that game, but I had to put it aside before completing it and its been on the back-burner ever since. Was a really great game, and I highly recommend it as a sort of introduction to the Press-Turn system featured in the SMT (or mainline) games.

    Devil Survivor: Overclocked was the next title I got my hands on. The game has an especially great introduction to the alignments featured in many other games, as well as giving an interesting look at the creation of the COMP. The characters are all likable, there are crazy high stakes in this awesome story, and it's a really nice SRPG (personally, I liked it about as much as the Fire Emblem games I've played in terms of game-mechanics).

    I then tried out Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne, and Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Souless Army. Similarly to Digital Devil Saga, I still got to beat all of these, but they're all great games for totally different reasons. Soul Hackers is probably the best example of any old school MegaTen game, Nocturne is the only mainline game that's in 3D and has probably one of the best atmospheres of any game I've played, and Raidou vs. The Souless Army is an interesting (though somewhat clunky) real-time RPG with a detective-based theme going for it.

    Currently, I'm playing through Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE and I'm having a blast, like way more than I thought I would. The over-arching story is surprisingly interesting, and the characters are just sheer joy to be around as Ben stated in his latest Frame Trap episode. The combat is a lot of fun too, and can be fairly challenging if you play it on hard. I greatly recommend this game.

    I personally think that just about every MegaTen is great in its own way, and I do plan on beating all of the ones I haven't yet and then get to all the others I have yet to try! My absolute favorite game is Persona 4 Golden, and my favorite non-Persona game has to be Devil Survivor: Overclocked.



  • I like Persona because I like SMT, I don't really think too much about how separate they are.

    I own:

    Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2
    Summoner 1 and 2
    SMT IV
    Nocturne
    Devil Survivor 1 and 2
    Strange Journey
    Soul Hackers

    And all Persona games



  • Meee~

    My favorite PS2 RPG is SMT: Nocturne. My collection is

    SMT Nocturne + IV
    Digital Devil Saga 1+2
    Raidou 1 + 2
    Devil Survivor Overclocked
    SMT Strange Journey
    Persona 1 PSP, Innocent Sin PSP, Eternal Punishment PSX
    Persona 3 (FES and Portable)
    Persona 4 (vanilla and Golden)



  • I remember playing the hell out of Nocturne that October it came out, such a great game. I've also dived into both Digital Devil Sagas, the first Summoner, and SMT IV. I'm currently playing through Persona 2: Innocent Sin (missed it due to not having a portable system) and although I will always have a fondness for the demon negotiation, I really hope there's some positive changes to it in Persona 5. There are times when it's borderline frustrating (without a guide), although a lot of the interactions are entertaining. I'd really love for the rumor system that's so prevalent in both Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment to make a comeback but I'm really doubting that will happen - there's always Persona 6 to look forward to.



  • @Sheria I hear ya. But I got into the franchise like most fans through Persona, and I've noticed that there tends to be this kind of divide of people who love Persona to death (more specifically, just the modern Persona games) and aren't all that interested in looking at any of the other series, and those like us who like Persona but have also tried and like the other MegaTen games out there.

    Also, if we're turning this into a who own's which games contest, I think I'll get most of you beat (I own a lot more games than I've tried haha)

    Persona 4 (vanilla and Golden)
    Persona 3 (FES and Portable)
    Persona 2 (IS and EP (JP) portable versions)
    Persona Q
    Persona 4: Arena and Arena Ultimax (Arena counts since I got the DLC with Ultimax)
    Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
    Shin Megami Tensei IV
    Devil Survivor: Overclocked
    Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker
    Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers
    Raidou Kuzunoha 1 and 2
    Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2
    Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE
    And a bunch of other Japanese MegaTen games I bought: Devil Children Light and Dark/White/Fire and Ice/Puzzle de Call!/Messiah Riser, SMT NINE, and Ronde (.... I think I have a problem....)



  • @SabotageTheTruth I totally agree. I mentioned what my thoughts were on demon negotiation with the whole Hold Up system. I'm super excited to see it played out in Persona 5!

    Also, dude. You mentioned a rumor system for Persona 2. I hadn't gotten the chance to play those games yet, could you tell me what that is?



  • @DarkenRaul1 So one of the main themes of both the Persona 2 games is rumors affecting reality. If someone says the owner of the ramen shop is an ex-spy and that rumor gets spread, it becomes true. It adds in interesting story elements and also affects gameplay. For instance, towards the beginning of Innocent Sin, you fight your school principal in a clock tower. At the end of the fight, he jumps out of the tower and another student comes running up, asking you what happened. You can either respond with saying the principal is dead or he survived the fall, effectively spreading the rumor and changing the way the story plays out. There's also smaller rumors that affect things like quality of weapons at a particular shop or what game has better odds at the casino or hell, even how a park has talking flowers or an abandoned factory is haunted by a ghost taxi cab. It's unique and I feel there's a lot of opportunities to really build on it.



  • I picked up Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker the other day. Since I knew it was turn based, I didn't think I would like it too much (not my favorite genre). I haven't stopped playing it since. :P Fantastic game.

    Going to pick up Devil Survivor 1 for sure... probably SMT4:A too...



  • I too am a Persona Fangirl but I like myself some MegaTen too. I haven't played a whole ton but I've liked what I've played so far.

    Loved Nocturne and the Digital Devil Saga games. I was there during the final hours of SMT Imagine (why sweet Imagine, why must you leave me?). And I'm presently working on SMT IV.



  • @SabotageTheTruth it's so rad. I really wish they would incorporate it into newer games.



  • @michemagius They should definitely decrease the number of museum fires though, ugh.



  • @SabotageTheTruth For sure. There's an unacceptable amount of burning AeroSpace museums.



  • I'm definitively not as much of a fan of SMT as I'm of Persona, but what I've played has been really good, and I definitively want to play more of them, but it's hard to make time for them :(.

    I've played to completion:

    Nocturne: Looked into it after beating P4, and it was really good.

    Digital Devil Saga: I like it but it took me a loooong time to beat it (literally years).

    I also have DDS2 and Devil Survivor, I haven't touched DDS2, only ran it once to verify that it worked, and probably played at least half of Devil Survivor, which I liked a lot but it eventually just left it aside, but I've thought a couple of times about playing it again.



  • Shin Megami Tensei 4 -> Persona 1 PSP -> Persona 2 Innocent Sin PSP -> Digital Devil Saga 1 -> Devil Survivor Overclocked -> Persona 2 Eternal Punishment -> Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE

    After Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE I'll move onto Persona 3 PSP then Soul Hackers.

    Something I'm finding with TMS#FE is that I'm gaining abilities really quickly meaning I have to go to the Bloom Palace every few minutes or else I'd be wasting experience. This process could have been streamlined, although I expect that as I gain more artists and more materials there will be less of a need to go back and forth as I can switch people out and make new weapons ahead of time.

    Also the savage encounters are absolutely SAVAGE! Early game I was getting killed in a single round.



  • @TOPHATANT123 yeah, the Bloom Palace is a little strange. I love/hate the notifications you get when a new Unity is ready, because it saves me returning just to check if I can do another one, but at the same time I hate having to rush all the way back because I need a new Unity to not waste exp. like you said. But I think I found the best way to play it is to kind of hold-off on going back to the Bloom Palace and not worrying about it too much (even if you mastered all your weapons) until you reach the next warp point so you can make like 2 weapons at a time so you don't have to be running around wasting exp.

    And yeah, I didn't learn my lesson the first time as I must have tried to take them on like 3 times and got wiped out each time. I guess they always stay like 5 levels above you no matter what just to make sure they stay a threat. Probably won't try another one again until A.) I got at least 3 Special Skill bars maxed and B.) I have enough party members and session skills to just chain EVERY SINGLE ATTACK or else just accept the veil of death.