Kill Your Babies! (JRPG Edition)



  • Happy Independence Day to all us Americans and happy July 4th to everyone else! I figured we could celebrate today by playing kill your babies with a theme that celebrates how great the United States is - role-playing games developed in Japan. This is my favorite genre so let's be thoughtful with our decisions. Rules copy/pasted from the previous game :

    I really loved this segment from the old Mandatory Update days, so let's bring it back. Real simple rules for those unfamiliar - I'm going to present a list of the 20 best reviewed JRPGs of all time (according to gamerankings.com). Each comment after this will take a turn "killing" a game; it will have never been created and the world never will get a chance to experience it. Of course to make it more fun, explain why you're removing that game from existence. Even though it goes against the flow of time, if you were for example to kill Final Fantasy VII, that doesn't kill all remaining games in the franchise, they just skipped that numbered entry for... reasons. For upkeep needs, please post the list at the end of your comment, striking out the game you've just murdered. Once we're down to two entries, a straw poll will be created to determine the winner. Whatever game doesn't get murdered becomes the best JRPG ever created in our parallel universe without question. Let the killing begin!

    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
    6. Final Fantasy X
    7. Final Fantasy VI
    8. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    9. Xenogears
    10. Persona 3
    11. Final Fantasy XII
    12. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    13. Skies of Arcadia
    14. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    15. Final Fantasy VIII
    16. Golden Sun
    17. Paper Mario
    18. Grandia II
    19. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
    20. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

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    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
      > 6. Final Fantasy X
    6. Final Fantasy VI
    7. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    8. Xenogears
    9. Persona 3
    10. Final Fantasy XII
    11. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    12. Skies of Arcadia
    13. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    14. Final Fantasy VIII
    15. Golden Sun
    16. Paper Mario
    17. Grandia II
    18. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
    19. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    Final Fantasy X were too much cringey dialogue and snuggles for my liking. It's dead to me (not litterally). I have played through it a few times but it just doesnt speak to me as I would like it, sure it had a nice battle system where you could switch characters on the fly, but yeah...



    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
    6. Final Fantasy VI
    7. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    8. Xenogears
    9. Persona 3
    10. Final Fantasy XII
    11. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    12. Skies of Arcadia
    13. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
      14. Final Fantasy VIII
    14. Golden Sun
    15. Paper Mario
    16. Grandia II
    17. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
    18. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    Ouch. X being the first to go? Oh well, that's Kill Your Babies! I'm eliminating VIII for just the simple reason that I hated it. I've already touched on my issues with this entry in my Final Fantasy Debate Post. I'm pulling for a particular entry, but wouldn't be upset if three others make it, but there is yet ANOTHER that I expect to make it. I can't wait to see what everybody kills off.



    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
    6. Final Fantasy VI
      7. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    7. Xenogears
    8. Persona 3
    9. Final Fantasy XII
    10. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    11. Skies of Arcadia
    12. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    13. Golden Sun
    14. Paper Mario
    15. Grandia II
    16. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
    17. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    I am going with Bowser's Inside Story for multiple reasons. Firstly, I think the Mario and Luigi games started with the best game in the series (Superstar Saga) which is already on this list. Secondly I don't think the Mario and Luigi games are even comparable to Super Mario RPG, and Paper Mario: TTYD as far as Mario RPGs go. Thirdly, playing as Bowser was a total bore.



    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
    6. Final Fantasy VI
      7. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    7. Xenogears
    8. Persona 3
    9. Final Fantasy XII
    10. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    11. Skies of Arcadia
    12. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    13. Golden Sun
      15.Paper Mario
    14. Grandia II
    15. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
    16. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    Because I'm a monster. A horrible, horrible, self-loathing monster.



  • @Mechanoid said in Kill Your Babies! (JRPG Edition):

    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
    6. Final Fantasy VI
    7. Xenogears
    8. Persona 3
    9. Final Fantasy XII
    10. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    11. Skies of Arcadia
    12. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    13. Golden Sun
    14. Grandia II
    15. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
      16. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    Admittedly I haven't played many of these games despite adoring the genre, but I have played a good deal of the Dragon Quest games, and IX isn't one of the great ones. You could replace it with any other title in the series except II and the list would be the same or better for it.



  • I'm going to knock out Chrono Trigger. While I do like the game, I don't think it's as good as its made out to be. Then there is the fact that Chrono Cross is in the same list, a game which I found to be a lot better. There's only going to be room for the one by the end of this ... so .. buh bai Trigger :3

    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
      5. Chrono Trigger
    5. Final Fantasy VI
    6. Xenogears
    7. Persona 3
    8. Final Fantasy XII
    9. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    10. Skies of Arcadia
    11. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    12. Golden Sun
    13. Grandia II
    14. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door


    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Final Fantasy VI
    6. Xenogears
    7. Persona 3
      11. Final Fantasy XII
    8. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    9. Skies of Arcadia
    10. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    11. Golden Sun
    12. Grandia II
    13. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

    I kill FFXII, I hate this game, I hate the gambit system, I hate the MMO feel it has, I hate the dungeon design, to me it's the worst mainline FF that isn't an actual MMO.



  • 1. Persona 4 Golden

    1. Final Fantasy IX
    2. Final Fantasy VII
    3. Chrono Cross
      5. Chrono Trigger
      6. Final Fantasy X
    4. Final Fantasy VI
      8. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    5. Xenogears
    6. Persona 3
      11. Final Fantasy XII
    7. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    8. Skies of Arcadia
    9. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
      15. Final Fantasy VIII
    10. Golden Sun
      17. Paper Mario
    11. Grandia II
    12. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
      20. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    Going to have to get rid of Persona IV, I'm afraid, I hate the whole slice of life aspect of it. I could have gotten rid of III instead, but Teddy is so annoying that IV takes the cake as the one game I can't stand on this list.



  • You are all monsters. :p



    1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII
    4. Chrono Cross
    5. Chrono Trigger
    6. Final Fantasy X
    7. Final Fantasy VI
    8. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    9. Xenogears
    10. Persona 3
    11. Final Fantasy XII
    12. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    13. Skies of Arcadia
    14. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    15. Final Fantasy VIII
    16. Golden Sun
    17. Paper Mario
    18. Grandia II
    19. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
    20. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    FFIX is officially GONE. My horrible reasoning is that there's too much FF on the list and the one I wanted to win is already dead </3



  • 1. Persona 4 Golden
    2. Final Fantasy IX
    3. Final Fantasy VII

    1. Chrono Cross
      5. Chrono Trigger
      6. Final Fantasy X
    2. Final Fantasy VI
      8. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    3. Xenogears
    4. Persona 3
      11. Final Fantasy XII
    5. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    6. Skies of Arcadia
    7. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
      15. Final Fantasy VIII
    8. Golden Sun
      17. Paper Mario
    9. Grandia II
    10. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
      20. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies

    The loss of Persona 4 might have actually hurt me.

    I am going to be hated for this... but FFVII is out. As was said, there was a lot of FF here. FFVI stays because it just has my fave music in it.



  • @Inustar Aaaahhhhh Damn someone finally did it. I was hoping it would last longer. DAMN! But again, that's Kill Your Babies! X-) The list is starting to get a little irksome to look at with all the cross-throughs, so here is the updated list:

    1. Chrono Cross
    2. Final Fantasy VI
    3. Xenogears
    4. Persona 3
    5. Mario & Luigi: Super Star Saga
    6. Skies of Arcadia
    7. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    8. Golden Sun
    9. Grandia II
    10. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

    I'm not going to kill off another game because I've already had my turn but I thought it would be helpful for an updated list for everyone else. Thanks Mr. Hinck for introducing this (to me at least). I now love this game. Thanks @SabotageTheTruth for bringing this to the forums.



  • @Brannox
    I'll be honest, I might have been a little salty at the loss of Persona 4.

    I look forward to seeing a surprise winner for this one. Grandia II perhaps?



  • @Inustar It depends. I was stunned for Chrono Trigger. I've never played it but I figured that either that or FF VI would take this list. But the pure gold about this game is that salt as you say. There is that strategy of taking out other people's favorites. Grandia II could make it but who knows?



  • @Brannox I think we should make this a weekly feature on here. It would be fun to do for a ton of things. Tv, movies, books etc.



  • @Inustar Perhaps. I lack the creativity to create the massive lists. I enjoy seeing the list being stricken. If you want to expand to other mediums, start a separate post! I'm sure it will get traffic too!



  • 1.Chrono Cross
    2.Final Fantasy VI
    3.Xenogears
    4.Persona 3
    5.Mario & Luigi: Super Star Saga
    6.Skies of Arcadia
    7.Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
    8.Golden Sun
    9.Grandia II
    10.Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

    I'm sorry, really am, I love this game, but I can't bear to lose the others. (Still mourning the loss of P4) It was gonna be this or Xenogears. But Xenogears just barely made the cut.



  • @michemagius thank you for this. This would have been my next choice. Not to mention Xenogears lives for a little longer....



  • @Inustar Couldn't do it to Xenogears, it would hurt too much.