Controversial opinion on EZA



  • @alexwhiteplays The Hell episode of EZU was great! Blood's Earthbound photographer video was a beautiful thing too, so I think video game parodies would work well for them.

    They've also been building something with their alter egos in the betting specials... even if people aren't as keen on the new betting special format, everyone seemed to enjoy their characters at least, so maybe expanding those personas into something scripted could turn into something cool.

    If anyone could take a page from Monty Python and make it work in the realm of video game journalism, I think EZA could do it ;)



  • @logic__error @alexwhiteplays Monty Python type stuff sounds like a pretty cool idea. Don's discount gaming is entertaining. More of that type of show would be welcome. The bonus bits from The Final Bosman, or even some of the bits they were doing towards the end of GT. They can be a pretty comical group and i think they are all creative enough to come up with some awesome shows. The Mocumentry stuff sounds good too. Yes i hope they take the betting specials to a whole new level, and bring those characters out more through out the year. I think that it would be interesting if they created a story arc with their characters and the community could put it together piece by piece.

    Anyways, seems like this thread is starting to slow down. I appreciate everyones input and hope for another successful year for the Easy Allies.



  • @suplextrain said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Also your way of simply upping the pledge of a singular user that wants X is a downright horrible idea to "get what you want from EZA".

    That's literally describing the entire way EZA is funded and paid for by patrons. If enough people "up their pledge" to reach 50k, EZA will get a studio and start producing more of the kind of content they were producing at GT.
    Cause ---> Effect

    That's just comes off as you trying to trick them into serving your agenda. In truth you have absolutely no answer or solution. You go on about keeping the status quo and throwing more money at EZA, as if that was the root of the problem.
    Again, you can't eat the cake and still keep it.

    I think maybe you should take a step back and relax or something. My agenda is for EZA to be successful and produce high quality shows. If that's not your agenda too then maybe you're in the wrong place?

    I do actually have an answer and a solution It's actually Brandon Jones' answer and solution to the question that's been asked of him repeatedly over the past year or so. It's pretty obvious that you don't like it, but there it is. :)

    I prefer pie and I'm not entirely sure you understand the point of that colloquialism. If I wanted to "have my cake and eat it too", I'd want EZA to produce exactly what I want without paying for it. Clearly that's the side of the argument you seem to be on, not me?

    Anyways, nice chat. Take it easy.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    That's literally describing the entire way EZA is funded and paid for by patrons. If enough people "up their pledge" to reach 50k, EZA will get a studio and start producing more of the kind of content they were producing at GT.

    I repeat your words now. You said that people not satisfied with the content EZA provides should up their pledge a significant amount to "get EZA to do what they want". You also just naturally assume that EZA getting a studio would result solving people's issues with current EZA, let alone assuming that they would start pumping out more scripted stuff for no real reason.
    This is faulty logic to the extreme.

    I think maybe you should take a step back and relax or something.

    Maybe you should do that since you seem to misinterpret almost everything I say and make a number of wild assumptions about me? I am perfectly calm.

    My agenda is for EZA to be successful and produce high quality shows. If that's not your agenda too then maybe you're in the wrong place?

    Now you try and twist my words using logical fallacies. So maybe you really should take a step back and open your mind.
    Seriously, what do you think I have been doing and suggesting? So far you have been wrong about a number of things so I'd really like to hear what you think I'm saying and what I want.

    I do actually have an answer and a solution It's actually Brandon Jones' answer and solution to the question that's been asked of him repeatedly over the past year or so. It's pretty obvious that you don't like it, but there it is. :)

    Uh huh. Which is? Also please leave your erronous assumptions about me out, because you're racking up quite a number so far. Adding passive aggressive emotes doesn't help your case either.

    I prefer pie and I'm not entirely sure you understand the point of that colloquialism.

    Oh so now you start to insult me as well. Great. Also I used an idiom whcih perfectly fits.
    You don't want or think that shows should change or be removed, but you want scripted stuff to be added on top of this. The time the EZA crew invests into their work is already significant. So without removing or changing anything, where exactly are they supposed to be getting this extra time from? Several of them are not even full time (like Don and Ian) and I don't think they're looking to go full-time either. So they have the time they have.
    Explain to me why you think getting a studio would allow for new scripted shows to pop up on top of all the other stuff they're doing.
    Your point about logistics is already faulty, as I have explained, so don't fall back on that again.

    Anyways, nice chat. Take it easy.

    It's so tiresome when people feel that when they start to lose an argument the best solution is to start calling the opposition mad or riled up, that they need to calm down. This is the same kind of logical fallacy where you start to insult the other party.
    Seriously dude, try and open your mind. You're acting extremely close minded right now and not even trying to understand what I'm saying. You're making this discussion completely pointless. You don't want to discuss change or feedback, you want to keep the status quo and if people don't like it they should up their pledges (seriously?).

    So again I ask, what exactly is it that you think I'm doing and what is it I want? Because so far it has been completely wrong.



  • @suplextrain said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Uh huh. Which is?

    Posted it several times already. Studio goal 50k. Per Brandon. See my bullet point list which he and the other allies have specifically discussed before as to "why a studio will allow them to make this more scripted and produced kind of content". Not "assuming" anything. Just repeating. Been very polite to you and you've been quite hostile. Goodnight!



  • @TokyoSlim I've been reading through this entire thread and am not trying to single you out here but you've misconstrued several things that @suplextrain has said. Also you've been a bit passive aggressive with your posts. I can see why @suplextrain is irrated.

    It's unfortunate because I've seen some pretty good posts here get completely passed over by these exchanges.

    However, as much as you brought up some good stuff about the studio and their goals, I don't agree with you in terms of how me or anyone should spend their money. They make content to keep ppl and bring ppl in or they don't grow. I made a post where I showed the amounts of ppl that actually watch the show compared to the total subscribers. They're reach isnt impactful enough to suck ppl in, which is what would give them more money. Not the dream that one day they might do something. Game Sleuth was the 20,000 goal. Yet that's been barely produced. If they're not making the stuff they said they would or don't want to that's fine but it means ppl will drop out eventually. It's not on anyone to hope they will do something they want. They produce what ppl want, ppl invest. But your right, if they make promises then it's up to ppl to invest if they believe in that vision, but like real business, not everyone is going to hold out and keep their money in or want to until they see it for themselves.

    I think @logic__error said it best. If ppl want something, being vocal is the best way, they will listen. EZA is a good group of ppl that truly care about their community. I'm sure they will balance what they want with what their fans want. But they can't please everyone. I'm sure their happy just be doing what they're doing and so are many of their fans.



  • @CGamor7
    Go ahead and single me out! I feel like he's being super aggressive to me for no real reason.

    I never meant to try and tell you how to spend your money. I provided my viewpoint on what I thought was the most productive way to achieve what you want out of EZA in regards to more produced shows. And I said it was fine if you didn't.

    If you want to cancel your patronage, I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't. that's your business. I'm just saying that from my perspective it's the wrong way to go about getting what you want from EZA

    This was directed to you as well as suplextrain. I felt like you both were arguing that abandoning funding the business plan was more productive for you than helping fund the tier that it has been said gives you the type of thing you're looking for. I don't agree, but it's not my money!

    Taking my conversational topics in order:

    A: You actually can't just stop making shows that people are specifically funding in order to fund something else. That's called bait and switch. Youtube subscriptions don't really matter, I'm a youtube sub on like 300 channels I don't actually care about enough to give them any money. There's essentially no money on YT subs or views. Patrons and sponsors fund the shows. They make the shows that we Patrons fund. Taking money that they got for funding specific shows, and then not using it for those shows is bad. I'm not sure why that's a controversial subject? Like should I just be ok with funding a Patreon that doesn't deliver the promised tier products?

    B: Brandon has laid out his rough roadmap for EZA content. This includes more produced content, and special guests in the studio and etc. which is tied to the 50k tier Patreon goal. If you want more of that kind of content, that 50k goal should be very interesting to you. I am not just making up stuff, It's been addressed in COJ, Patron Q&A, in person, on streams... The GT Studio made it convenient for them to produce that level of GT content. They don't currently have a studio, when they get one, they will apparently be more able and willing to produce that content.

    C: EZA isn't in trouble, they have been wildly successful! Like I said, I agree with you that I'd like to see them have more polished, pre-produced shows like they used to at GT. The way that's going to happen is with a studio and offices like they used to have at GT. They are almost to that goal and it's quite possible that they'll reach it by the end of the year. I'm excited for the next phase.



  • Totally not gonna read through the rest of the massive text wall, but for my $0.02 I'm gonna say I'm quite happy with the rate at which the content I enjoy comes out.

    Do I wish certain things happened more often like the Podcast, tabletop escapades and gundam streams? Sure, but they're the most time consuming and therefore not really possible.

    I'm also typically working 11PM till 4-7AM and then sleeping till 4PM or later, so I miss just about every twitch stream all week, so there's a vast majority of things I miss unless I catch it later on via youtube, which means I miss out on the live interactions from the allies and chat, so for ME more shows instead of twitch streams wouldn't bother me, but that's extremely selfish of me, and I still get to catch Kyle's tetris streams or Brandon's playthroughs later in the week at night sometimes so I'd miss those if they went away.

    On the same token there's quite a few shows I just don't even watch due to having no interest in the topic or not wanting spoilers and as mentioned earlier I sleep during the day so I miss the monthly Q&As too.

    Either way through, the majority of the issues mentioned in the OP would certainly diminish with them having a studio. Which is their main goal (Or at the very least Brandon's goal) so I'd say just look forward to that hopefully happening cause then you'll get your wish or you might not, that's all probably dependent on the community at that moment and how the allies feel.

    You support them cause you want to support them, and hopefully in a way that you won't miss if an emergency came up. I'm not gonna hold them hostage with my support, if I can't watch their content anymore or something drastic happens within the group or within the community then I'll likely pull back, it just shouldn't ever be the reason they change how they do things, to me that prevents things from being organic.

    Honestly when you consider just the shows they currently record they already do MORE than they did at GT if you ask me, the twitch stuff is just a bonus. Also consider that many things were probably posted on GT earlier than intended just to get views, kyle says quite often that he wasn't happy with how things he made turned out, so I'd rather them not to rush anything.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Posted it several times already. Studio goal 50k.

    That? I have already explained to you why that isn't a necessity and why that won't magically spawn more scripted shows.
    The real reason is that they chose not to. You can do scripted stuff on a couch or out on the street. Heck I even unintentionally posted an example of this with the co-op show above.
    The reason why they prefer unscripted stuff like discussions and let's play sort of streams is because it's easier and requires less prep. This is understandable. But if they want to grow they will have to move beyond tha and refocus. A studio isn't required for that. Heck it's possible that they will never get a studio if they keep trucking along the way they have.
    For example imagine if a bunch of people also start to become dissatisfied and decide to stop being supporters, that wouldn't result in getting closer to that 50k goal.

    Been very polite to you and you've been quite hostile.

    Dude... this is very much not the case. But well whatever helps you sleep at night, it's clear you don't really care what I say or think.
    Heck this isn't even about me, which is something you seemed to have completely failed to grasp. This is about me telling you what is and isn't possible as well as telling you that asking someone that is dissatisfied to up their pledge by a considerable amount (for your own selfish reasons) isn't actually the best course of action. Heck removing your pledge would actually be more effective if several people started pulling out for the same reason. People vote with their money, after all.

    Do you know what the best course of action actually is? To discuss this topic and be vocal about it, which you're directly fighting against. You're telling people to simply pay up (,shut up) and wait for that magical studio that somehow will make them all happy for no real reason. If they got a studio right now they would have no real reason to change anything, so why would that result in more scripted stuff?



  • @suplextrain said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    I have already explained to you why that isn't a necessity and why that won't magically spawn more scripted shows.

    Explaining things to ME doesn't change Brandon's mind though. I'm not Brandon! You're acting like me stating the situation as-is is somehow not listening to you. I'm listening, I just know what you're proposing isn't going to happen! (unless god forbid EZA goes under or something and they have to start over) Brandon isn't going to burn his current Patrons who fund these shows in order to make other shows. Even if the new shows are great, it's not what was promised! He's hyper aware of that kind of thing and I'm super sure that just ditching shows isn't in the cards.

    If they got a studio right now they would have no real reason to change anything, so why would that result in more scripted stuff?

    Because aside from a weekly cup of Jones that was retconned into being less often, they've fulfilled all the other promises they've made to Patrons. That's what all those shows are you keep trying to kill off. Those are promises that EZA has made to produce for Patrons in exchange for the money we give them.



  • @TokyoSlim they have quite abit of shows that aren't directly funded.

    Also, I understand that you think ppl pulling out of monthly contributions is counter productive, but the truth is, it's a delicate balance. I get that they have said getting a studio is what it takes for them to produce more scripted shows. I believe that. But I speak to right now.

    Right now I consume one show a week from them. is that worth $5? Probably not. But I've been paying that and $10 at one point for over a year. It's not about wether or not I have the right to pay 0, because of course I do. it's about me expressing my wants from a group that I really enjoy being part of. But I'm not hurt over whether or not they will listen. Things evolve and one day I may never watch them again. That's okay.



  • @CGamor7 said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    they have quite abit of shows that aren't directly funded

    They have Fiasconauts, Don't Skip, Gundam, and Anime. I dont think I'm missing anything else.
    *Zelda Talk too



  • @TokyoSlim your right, I went and looked at the patreon list. I didn't realize some of the new stuff was added.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    @CGamor7 said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    they have quite abit of shows that aren't directly funded

    They have Fiasconauts, Don't Skip, Gundam, and Anime. I dont think I'm missing anything else.
    *Zelda Talk too

    Does friend code count? And the recent movie podcast with Ian/Huber?



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Explaining things to ME doesn't change Brandon's mind though.

    I am telling you what the reality of the situation is. It's not that they can't, it's that they chose not to.
    It's the same deal when they get a studio. They can still choose to not to scripted stuff. In fact if they get to 50k then they have no real reason to change anything, so your assumption that they will magically pump out scripted stuff (without changing or removing anything from what they're currently doing) and the very thing you're trying to trick(?) or sell people into doing (upping their pledges, dissatisfied or no) is not very thought out.

    Patrons who fund these shows in order to make other shows. Even if the new shows are great, it's not what was promised!

    That's the mindset of a captain steering a sinking ship. If everything they added needs to stay then things will never get better. If something isn't working out you should consider changing or removing it. So I doubt Brandon is actually saying what you claim he's saying, he's most likely talking about specific stuff like Retrospectives.

    Because aside from a weekly cup of Jones that was retconned into being less often, they've fulfilled all the other promises they've made to Patrons.

    No they haven't. In any case have they truly promised scripted stuff once they hit 50k? Because I haven't seen or heard that anywhere.

    That's what all those shows are you keep trying to kill off.

    I'm saying that they're not an efficient usage of their time. Game Sleuth for example is fun, but is it 2 episode per year and 20 000$ stretchgoal fun? Is it really pulling in tons of paying supporters? I'm extremely doubtful.
    Also I said that shows could be changed as well, which you failed to mention.

    But again, without removing or changing anything, how do you expect the EZA crew to suddenly produce more scripted shows? They already put in loads of time in this thing.



  • @ZyloWolfBane Friend code was funded last tier instead of Storytime with Damiani which got mixed interest before it was funded.



  • @ZyloWolfBane brand and Kyle play Pokemon? I think friend code is the Nintendo podcast promised.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    @ZyloWolfBane Friend code was funded last tier instead of Storytime with Damiani which got mixed interest before it was funded.

    Ahhhhh right, ok I forgot about that. The name changed a few times and then Zelda talk came along so I was a bit confused there lol.



  • @suplextrain yeah they have to be adaptive just like anything.



  • @suplextrain said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    That's the mindset of a captain steering a sinking ship. If everything they added needs to stay then things will never get better. If something isn't working out you should consider changing or removing it.

    Again, EZA isn't sinking, failing, floundering, or in trouble. They are stupendously successful with what they have done and how they've gone about doing it. So I'm not sure where you're coming from here. What they're doing isn't "broken" so radically changing their entire business model to "fix it" seems weird to me.

    But again, without removing or changing anything, how do you expect the EZA crew to suddenly produce more scripted shows? They already put in loads of time in this thing.

    See: Logistics. We're going around in circles here.