Controversial opinion on EZA



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    @CGamor7 said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    they have quite abit of shows that aren't directly funded

    They have Fiasconauts, Don't Skip, Gundam, and Anime. I dont think I'm missing anything else.
    *Zelda Talk too

    Does friend code count? And the recent movie podcast with Ian/Huber?



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Explaining things to ME doesn't change Brandon's mind though.

    I am telling you what the reality of the situation is. It's not that they can't, it's that they chose not to.
    It's the same deal when they get a studio. They can still choose to not to scripted stuff. In fact if they get to 50k then they have no real reason to change anything, so your assumption that they will magically pump out scripted stuff (without changing or removing anything from what they're currently doing) and the very thing you're trying to trick(?) or sell people into doing (upping their pledges, dissatisfied or no) is not very thought out.

    Patrons who fund these shows in order to make other shows. Even if the new shows are great, it's not what was promised!

    That's the mindset of a captain steering a sinking ship. If everything they added needs to stay then things will never get better. If something isn't working out you should consider changing or removing it. So I doubt Brandon is actually saying what you claim he's saying, he's most likely talking about specific stuff like Retrospectives.

    Because aside from a weekly cup of Jones that was retconned into being less often, they've fulfilled all the other promises they've made to Patrons.

    No they haven't. In any case have they truly promised scripted stuff once they hit 50k? Because I haven't seen or heard that anywhere.

    That's what all those shows are you keep trying to kill off.

    I'm saying that they're not an efficient usage of their time. Game Sleuth for example is fun, but is it 2 episode per year and 20 000$ stretchgoal fun? Is it really pulling in tons of paying supporters? I'm extremely doubtful.
    Also I said that shows could be changed as well, which you failed to mention.

    But again, without removing or changing anything, how do you expect the EZA crew to suddenly produce more scripted shows? They already put in loads of time in this thing.



  • @ZyloWolfBane Friend code was funded last tier instead of Storytime with Damiani which got mixed interest before it was funded.



  • @ZyloWolfBane brand and Kyle play Pokemon? I think friend code is the Nintendo podcast promised.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    @ZyloWolfBane Friend code was funded last tier instead of Storytime with Damiani which got mixed interest before it was funded.

    Ahhhhh right, ok I forgot about that. The name changed a few times and then Zelda talk came along so I was a bit confused there lol.



  • @suplextrain yeah they have to be adaptive just like anything.



  • @suplextrain said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    That's the mindset of a captain steering a sinking ship. If everything they added needs to stay then things will never get better. If something isn't working out you should consider changing or removing it.

    Again, EZA isn't sinking, failing, floundering, or in trouble. They are stupendously successful with what they have done and how they've gone about doing it. So I'm not sure where you're coming from here. What they're doing isn't "broken" so radically changing their entire business model to "fix it" seems weird to me.

    But again, without removing or changing anything, how do you expect the EZA crew to suddenly produce more scripted shows? They already put in loads of time in this thing.

    See: Logistics. We're going around in circles here.



  • @TokyoSlim I'd be curious on what they constitute as success. I mean if you compare their viewing numbers to other games media personalities, it looks really low. Especially when you factor how many EZA crew there are compared to the small groups or individuals that put out some polished content. Kyle alone on his channel was surpassing anything that EZA does collectively on his own.

    This is why I think they're missing growing opportunities that will help them with their studio goals.



  • @CGamor7 https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators

    In the top 15 of all Patreons, I'd say that's pretty successful. The only gaming Patreon above them is Kinda Funny, which started in 2014 and has a lot less $s per patron per month. There's something to be said about the "they need more subscribers and not people to up their pledges" argument that was made earlier, because Kinda Funny has about 1,500 more patrons, yet is making almost $20,000 less a month.



  • @CGamor7 It's been repeatedly mentioned that Youtube views and clicks are barely even looked at. They produce the content we pay for, that's literally the deal. They always go out of their way to say that chasing clicks at GT was bad-horrible soul crushing commercial dross (my words) and they purposefully went with the Patreon model so they don't have to ever do that again. So for the most part Youtube clicks are meaningless.

    They have been successful beyond anyone's wildest expectations is what they say anytime anyone asks them that question.



  • @SabotageTheTruth said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    @CGamor7 https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators

    In the top 15 of all Patreons, I'd say that's pretty successful. The only gaming Patreon above them is Kinda Funny, which started in 2014 and has a lot less $s per patron per month. There's something to be said about the "they need more subscribers and not people to up their pledges" argument that was made earlier, because Kinda Funny has about 1,500 more patrons, yet is making almost $20,000 less a month.

    They also took a big hit after their recent fiasco, but that's besides the point.



  • Why does studio = more. Firstly when the allies want to do something they don't want to invade Brandon's place. A studio will not be BRANDON's place but the allies place. They can just go to the studio and do something. Also studio doesn't mean more but we won't know until it happens.



  • @ib0show Just want to point out that this is the exact wording on the Patreon tier:

    A new HQ will mean a portion of our team will be producing entertainment full-time. New and old shows will be added on YouTube and Patreon, and we’ll finally be able to build a studio from the ground up.



  • @ib0show said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Why does studio = more. Firstly when the allies want to do something they don't want to invade Brandon's place. A studio will not be BRANDON's place but the allies place. They can just go to the studio and do something. Also studio doesn't mean more but we won't know until it happens.

    Well...I mean I don't think it guarantees more, but it certainly could. A lot of shows happen on a whim, that could happen a lot more with a studio for just the reason you mentioned.

    @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    A new HQ will mean a portion of our team will be producing entertainment full-time. New and old shows will be added on YouTube and Patreon, and we’ll finally be able to build a studio from the ground up.

    There is also this, I just didn't know if that verbage had changed at all. At the same time though it could also mean that the shows we're already getting would just come out more consistently too, not necessarily that MORE shows would be produced. And they would have more time to put more into the production process, audio/visual quality, etc.



  • Moved topic to Comments & Feedback



  • @TokyoSlim I do recall that now, and its smart to a point. They keep their patreons happy and all is good. But its easy to become complacent that way, and it doesn't allow for growth when you only cater to the people that are already invested in you. To be clear though, im not saying they should stop making stuff people like, but they need to think about what would bring ppl in.

    but anyways, im no businessman, and im pretty sure they have already thought this through. They obviously care about the business and want it to grow and like @ZyloWolfBane mentioned above they are a pretty successful patreon. As i type this im starting to realize that what im saying is going full circle.

    "All this has happened before and will happen again" - BSG

    Ive stated what i needed to state in earlier posts, and now am starting to tread into speculation and a tiring back and forth. We agree on some things, and disagree with others, big surprise! right? I stated and others stated what they would like to see, and if EZA wants to listen to that, then awesome. If they dont want to do those things or cant yet thats fine too. But now they know, or maybe the dont... lol not sure if they read this stuff. But Im checking out of this thread, if anyone wants to add to it i think thats awesome and ill check in from time to time to see what others peoples thoughts are.

    Im also not sure if it needed to be moved to comments and feedback @ib0show unless ofcourse it helps it get noticed by EZA, but i put it in general because more people tend to visit there and participate in the threads lol. Your call though :)

    Love & Respect



  • Side note to @TokyoSlim you did inform me in somethings i had forgotten and wasn't aware of, so thank you.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Again, EZA isn't sinking, failing, floundering, or in trouble. They are stupendously successful with what they have done and how they've gone about doing it. So I'm not sure where you're coming from here. What they're doing isn't "broken" so radically changing their entire business model to "fix it" seems weird to me.

    I still have no idea what your point is? You're so against change that it's downright baffling. Is the concept of improvement beyond you? That prevention is bad?

    See: Logistics. We're going around in circles here.

    And I have already told you and proven to you how that doesn't apply. Or are you telling me that it's impossible to make scripted stuff without a studio? A studio isn't even a requirement for anyone to make scripted stuff.
    A studio would make it easier, as I have said. But it is by no means a requirement. Also there is absolutely no guarantee that they will produce scripted stuff if and when they get a studio.

    Also you consistently dodge every single question I direct at you, like when I asked where exactly EZA promised scripted stuff when they get a studio. Where is my answer to that? You were pretty adamant about them not only promising this, but them not going back on said promises. So, where is it?
    Are you really gonna dodge this question yet again? Are you truly so close minded that you can't even admit to being wrong? If that's the case why are you even on a forum when you only pretend to discuss something? Or are you gonna call me aggressive or something to try and slip away?

    The only one going around in circles is you.



  • At this point you're just having me repeat myself over and over again. Have a good one. :)



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    At this point you're just having me repeat myself over and over again. Have a good one. :)

    Sigh, well stay close-minded then. That's a problem you will have to deal with in time if you ever wish to grow as a person. You should also consider toning down your passive aggressiveness if you plan on calling others "aggressive" in the future.
    But if you want to end it here then fine by me. I'll stay vocal about how I think EZA can grow if you ever wish to have another go at it.