Controversial opinion on EZA



  • @ib0show said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Why does studio = more. Firstly when the allies want to do something they don't want to invade Brandon's place. A studio will not be BRANDON's place but the allies place. They can just go to the studio and do something. Also studio doesn't mean more but we won't know until it happens.

    Well...I mean I don't think it guarantees more, but it certainly could. A lot of shows happen on a whim, that could happen a lot more with a studio for just the reason you mentioned.

    @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    A new HQ will mean a portion of our team will be producing entertainment full-time. New and old shows will be added on YouTube and Patreon, and we’ll finally be able to build a studio from the ground up.

    There is also this, I just didn't know if that verbage had changed at all. At the same time though it could also mean that the shows we're already getting would just come out more consistently too, not necessarily that MORE shows would be produced. And they would have more time to put more into the production process, audio/visual quality, etc.



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  • @TokyoSlim I do recall that now, and its smart to a point. They keep their patreons happy and all is good. But its easy to become complacent that way, and it doesn't allow for growth when you only cater to the people that are already invested in you. To be clear though, im not saying they should stop making stuff people like, but they need to think about what would bring ppl in.

    but anyways, im no businessman, and im pretty sure they have already thought this through. They obviously care about the business and want it to grow and like @ZyloWolfBane mentioned above they are a pretty successful patreon. As i type this im starting to realize that what im saying is going full circle.

    "All this has happened before and will happen again" - BSG

    Ive stated what i needed to state in earlier posts, and now am starting to tread into speculation and a tiring back and forth. We agree on some things, and disagree with others, big surprise! right? I stated and others stated what they would like to see, and if EZA wants to listen to that, then awesome. If they dont want to do those things or cant yet thats fine too. But now they know, or maybe the dont... lol not sure if they read this stuff. But Im checking out of this thread, if anyone wants to add to it i think thats awesome and ill check in from time to time to see what others peoples thoughts are.

    Im also not sure if it needed to be moved to comments and feedback @ib0show unless ofcourse it helps it get noticed by EZA, but i put it in general because more people tend to visit there and participate in the threads lol. Your call though :)

    Love & Respect



  • Side note to @TokyoSlim you did inform me in somethings i had forgotten and wasn't aware of, so thank you.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Again, EZA isn't sinking, failing, floundering, or in trouble. They are stupendously successful with what they have done and how they've gone about doing it. So I'm not sure where you're coming from here. What they're doing isn't "broken" so radically changing their entire business model to "fix it" seems weird to me.

    I still have no idea what your point is? You're so against change that it's downright baffling. Is the concept of improvement beyond you? That prevention is bad?

    See: Logistics. We're going around in circles here.

    And I have already told you and proven to you how that doesn't apply. Or are you telling me that it's impossible to make scripted stuff without a studio? A studio isn't even a requirement for anyone to make scripted stuff.
    A studio would make it easier, as I have said. But it is by no means a requirement. Also there is absolutely no guarantee that they will produce scripted stuff if and when they get a studio.

    Also you consistently dodge every single question I direct at you, like when I asked where exactly EZA promised scripted stuff when they get a studio. Where is my answer to that? You were pretty adamant about them not only promising this, but them not going back on said promises. So, where is it?
    Are you really gonna dodge this question yet again? Are you truly so close minded that you can't even admit to being wrong? If that's the case why are you even on a forum when you only pretend to discuss something? Or are you gonna call me aggressive or something to try and slip away?

    The only one going around in circles is you.



  • At this point you're just having me repeat myself over and over again. Have a good one. :)



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    At this point you're just having me repeat myself over and over again. Have a good one. :)

    Sigh, well stay close-minded then. That's a problem you will have to deal with in time if you ever wish to grow as a person. You should also consider toning down your passive aggressiveness if you plan on calling others "aggressive" in the future.
    But if you want to end it here then fine by me. I'll stay vocal about how I think EZA can grow if you ever wish to have another go at it.



  • @suplextrain thanks, i will.



  • So I was just re-watching the April Q&A, because I was dealing with some stuff while it was live and couldn't fully pay attention, and I had to laugh because Huber literally says not having a studio makes filming Huber Syndrome extremely difficult because it means he can't film weekly and he can't do it the way he wants. It may not be sketch comedy but Huber Syndrome is usually at least somewhat scripted, though I'm sure plenty is just off the cuff Huber too.

    Since there were a few people questioning just how impactful having a studio may or may not be to EZA producing scripted content, I figured I'd share this moment with the group. If I find any other times it is brought up while I'm watching something I'll try to share here as well so we can have a bit of a running tally :)

    Youtube Video – [21:57..]



  • @logic__error said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    So I was just re-watching the April Q&A, because I was dealing with some stuff while it was live and couldn't fully pay attention, and I had to laugh because Huber literally says not having a studio makes filming Huber Syndrome extremely difficult because it means he can't film weekly and he can't do it the way he wants. It may not be sketch comedy but Huber Syndrome is usually at least somewhat scripted, though I'm sure plenty is just off the cuff Huber too.
    Since there were a few people questioning just how impactful having a studio may or may not be to EZA producing scripted content, I figured I'd share this moment with the group. If I find any other times it is brought up while I'm watching something I'll try to share here as well so we can have a bit of a running tally :)

    I don't see how this is relevant? Do you even know what scripted actually means? Heck you even have evidence of said "scripted" content right there. Heck you didn't even stop to think about why Huber has trouble right now doing scripted stuff. Most likely that is tied to Don's tight schedule (he's the ally with the least amount of "free time" he can spend working on EZA stuff) and Don's schedule most likely wouldn't change if they got a studio, so they would most likely still have to record it in the same manner with a studio unless someone else with more time starts recording and editing his show.

    Also what TokyoSlim claimed was that it was impossible for them to do scripted stuff without a studio. It's not, you even have evidence of it right there as I said. To repeat myself, you could film scripted stuff anywhere, on a couch or out in the streets.
    For scripted stuff 2 things are required, that is writing the actual script and then (usually) rehearsing it a bit. That takes more time and effort than just preparing a few questions and then record a discussion.
    So to be clear, "it's hard" is nothing but an excuse. If they wanted to do more scripted stuff they very well could do it, but they've chosen not to.
    However when almost all of their content either falls into two camps, Let's play streams or Podcasts/Discussions, then I think it's about time you started thinking about diversifying and expanding the kind of content you're offering.
    This isn't the first time people have complained about the lack of (frequent) scripted stuff, you know. Imagine if these people started dropping their support. Imagine if tons of people that could've become supporters never did because the kind of content produced by EZA either was too narrow or too infrequent. Staring yourself blind on the status quo, desperately clinging to what you have, is wrong.

    I am saying that this is something that should be considered, studio or no studio. Constantly making excuses like "it can't be done" when it it is very much possible is to be quite frank, something losers do. Now don't fall back on that silly "well are you saying EZA aren't successful" drivel again, that is entirely beside the point. This push towards improvement is not only intended as a prevention before things go south, but also to help them push towards that studio goal (and even greater heights) more easily.

    My mentality is that you should always strive to be better and never make exucses like "it's too difficult". I know not everyone shares this belief and prefer the easy way out, but that won't stop me from wanting people to improve. Why? Because once upon a time I was that person that always took the easy way out and made those excuses. We can be better. So don't make excuses for why you can't be better, decide if you want to improve or not and disregard the difficulty of the task.

    Turned a bit more into a rant than I wanted it to, but I'm just tired of people constantly making excuses and blinding themselves to the truth. That people view criticism as something negative/unhelpful and praise as something helpful.



  • @suplextrain said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Also what TokyoSlim claimed was that it was impossible for them to do scripted stuff without a studio

    No i did not. That's a strawman.



  • @suplextrain Dude, calm the fuck down, seriously.

    I know what scripted content is and you instantly going on the attack at me means I am not going to bother reading your giant rant because you OBVIOUSLY didn't read anything else I have posted in this thread so far. Take a step back and have a seat.



  • April Q+A: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOh4U4f0j70. Go to approximately 1:33:45. The Allies discuss the amount of workload that sort of parallels this topic. It's a great listen. This is sort of related to the subject at hand. I understand that EZA has an obligation to their Patrons, but you have to realize that the Allies may be way too busy and overstressed, or they're unable to do scripted shows because they don't have the time. Only a few members are working there full-time; the reason why people are advocating for the studio goal is because more Allies will be working full-time, so they can focus more of their energies towards EZA. Right now, most of them are part-time at EZA. Ian stated during that Q+A segment that he is doing many other projects and responsibilities, Bosman has his Live with YouTube Gaming thing, I think Huber has another job or something, etc. Another factor that's in play is that the Allies are doing what they want to more often, instead of the GT days where they had to reach certain view counts (which was very stressful to them). Now they're doing stuff that they want to work on, rather than being forced to do something. If they make new content, I just hope that the Allies are enjoying what they're doing. Love & Respect.



  • @TokyoSlim said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    No i did not. That's a strawman.

    I like how the only thing you reply to are the things you can be snappy about.
    Ok let me correct myself since you got upset over semantics. You never flat out stated it, but you always told me the opposite. You always contested my claim that it wasn't impossible. Since you basically never elaborated or answered my questions then all I can do is to judge what you present to me.
    Don't like it? Then maybe elaborate next time. Directly challenge the things people say. Or don't. Either way I didn't feel that the discussion I had with you was worthwhile, so I won't be eager to discuss something with you again.

    @logic__error said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    Dude, calm the fuck down, seriously.

    In what way am I not calm? Do you seriously think I'm emotionally upset or something? Riled up? It's so very tiresome when people always jump the gun and tell people to "calm down", always assuming people are upset for not sprinkling in emotes or whatever.

    you instantly going on the attack at me

    ... what? In what way did I attack you? Maybe you're the one that needs to calm down if you think that I just "attacked" you. The fact that you claim that I attacked you when you didn't even read my post, is downright baffling. You just handwaved away someone's post as an attack without reading it. Should you really be on a forum trying to discuss stuff with other people?
    Well whatever.

    @jifw52 said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    but you have to realize that the Allies may be way too busy and overstressed

    Precisely my point. I think they think they need to put more time into EZA to satisfy their fans, when all they need to do is to be smarter about it. The problem isn't the amount of time they invest (which is actually quite considerable).
    I mean they pump out more shows like EZAnime, Friend Code, etc. but it's basically just more of the same. Discussions/Podcasts. It's the same deal with more streams.

    IF they produce something like more streams then it should be more along the lines of what Kyle does with his Dumb Game Monday and Bosman v. Wozniak. He makes them more unique and more like actual shows. It makes them far more special than some random stream from another ally.
    Does this take more time and effort to prepare than just streaming a game? Sure, but that's hardly a problem. If they toned down the quantity and upped the quality they would only benefit. It would set the content apart and make it more worthwhile. It would no doubt also please current and future supporters as well.

    Do you see what I've been trying to get across for a good chunk of this thread?



  • @suplextrain If you don't see how aggressive you're being with this then there is no point in engaging with you. I made a post that was not directed at you at all. I've got no interest in your attempts at provocation or engaging in an argument so I am not going to respond to you any further.



  • @logic__error said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    I made a post that was not directed at you at all.

    That somehow means that I or anyone else can't reply to said post?

    f you don't see how aggressive you're being with this then there is no point in engaging with you.

    Well if you view me as aggressive and want to disregard people's posts then by all means. Your mind is obviously set. Just take a step back and look at yourself sometime and see how disrespectful you're being. You're no saint.

    To be quite honest, it almost seems as if some of you look for reasons to be upset and to look for excuses not to challenge your ideas. Like "this person challenge my ideas but I'll just call him aggressive, tell him to calm down, etc. over responding to the points made". Might not be true, but that's how it comes off when some of you always resort to logical fallacies.
    But hey if you don't want to talk, then fine by me.

    I am interested in making EZA grow, improve and solve the problems that are present. If you ever want to discuss that then I'll be here.



  • @suplextrain okay, seriously that's enough. I understood your irrability at @TokyoSlim many posts ago. You guys got stuck in some weird word struggle, and yes that can be frustrating. But now your attacking @logic__error for what? Being helpful? Linking a video to something that the allies said about producing content? That's awesome she did that. That's exactly the stuff I would like to see.

    Your claiming your not mad but the aggressive nature of your posts that just happen to be a wall of text says otherwise. And to be clear I'm not involved with that conversation your having with them and I can clearly see the aggressive tone.

    Look I agree with what your saying about content (you have some great points) and that it's not impossible for them if they really really wanted to. But it seems clear that it is at the very least difficult. But st this point as much as I agree with some if your points you need to take a break from this thread. I have nothing against you, because we've all been worked up over something, but I don't like seeing these kind of posts flood the thread and you've lost all ability at being constructive in this discussion. You might say the feel same way for @TokyoSlim but he at least tried to stop the conversation posts ago. Please do the same.



  • @jifw52 cool thanks, I hope that if they hit the studio goal that they do makes some creative content that's not duscssions. I worry that they prefer what they're doing now and don't end up making that kind of stuff. i guess we will see.



  • @CGamor7 said in Controversial opinion on EZA:

    But now your attacking

    In what dimension am I attacking him? If some of you interpret my tone as aggressive or hostile then so be it, tone is difficult to convey across text. I am a blunt person and I don't like to sugercoat my words, sprinkle in emotes or whatever to "lighten the tone" in text, but that doesn't mean that I'm aggressive, upset or attacking someone. I'm actually extremely kind and civil IRL.

    Also focusing on this over the discussion is not only going off topic, but is just an evil circle since the discussion will focus on that instead and only bloat the (non-existant) issue.

    Seriously, if no one wants to actually discuss this anymore then it is a dead thread. There is absolutely zero point to harp on the illusion that I'm some "big meanie" or whatever unless you want to further derail the thread.
    I'm sorry for actually coming with controversial ideas and challenging people's ideas. Unless someone directly replies to me with on-topic discussion then I won't bother to post anymore in this thread.



  • people who say that they're blunt and don't sugar coat things is usually their shield to hide behind when their tone is defensive and aggressive

    like dude we don't care if you criticize but like chill and be nicer about it