Sony's Next Handheld *Allies Assemble*



  • @CGamor7 I'm sure they don't want to go back into dedicated portable gaming (even more considering how well their phone games are doing in japan). The following years are going to be interesting for the japanese mid/small game development market. While the swtich gains momentum, developers will stop supporting the vita and with that they will drop support for PS4 too, and will give Nintendo a lot of free exclusives. Big budget games will still be on Sony's court.



  • @LordBaztion I agree with with you on the part about them not wanting to get back into dedicated gaming and devs stopping support of vita. But even if the switch becomes wildly successful, devs will still support PS4 because of the install base. It would be strange that they would miss out on sales just to make games for Nintendo when at the very least they could port a Switch game to PSN. I also don't see Nintendo out selling PS4 world wide. I think it has the chance to be really successful but i dont think its going to catch up before PS5 releases.

    On that note, as I was writing this I guess it wouldn't be completely absurd for them wanting to create a handheld since its what the Japanese market seems to want. But it better play all mobile and PS5 games. But like @ib0show said, storage space will become an issue. Better hope for some 500 GB SD cards minimum. I think its to late to make a handheld that plays PS4 games.



  • I am so surprised to see so many allies simply write off another Sony handheld as an impossibility/ improbability. A few years ago the team over at Extra Credits produced an opinion piece that sums up the Vita's failure quite well in a general sense (https://youtu.be/REaUzHef9h4). Is it so hard to believe that Sony can learn from their mistakes? Or Nintendo or Microsoft for that matter? I believe Sony has been in the process of developing another handheld for quite some time now and that we may see it sooner than later. Maybe I'm a bit too excited for something that may never be and I just wanted to share some crazy ideas with fellow allies. Or maybe I'm just burnt from how underwhelming and disappointing the Switch is and wanted to look forward to something exciting. Either way I would still love to hear about any allies dream Sony handheld.



  • http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-26-sony-climate-not-healthy-for-playstation-vita-successor

    I was at that talk and it sounded like Shuhei meant it when he more or less said no.

    So unless the mentality has changed from what Shuhei said, I wouldn't hold any hope for a successor anytime soon.



  • I think people are coming at this a bit backwards in general. Ask the PSP 3 the same questions people are asking of the Scorpio: What games would you want on it? Are people really dying for more PS3 franchise handheld spin-offs? Do we need a dedicated device for visual novels when the Nintendo Switch is already all shiny and new and region free and that audience and type of game works just fine on a last gen handheld?

    I love the Vita insofar as the Gravity Rush and Persona games I've played on PS4 are great — I've never owned one and never would except to play Persona 4 Golden, which should really just get a PS4 port anyway at this point. What else is there? Freedom Wars 2?



  • @dramaticslowmo Sony expects to do record breaking operating profit this year. Their best division is the gaming division. Kaz Hirai has turned the company around.



  • @dramaticslowmo Shuhei says a lot of things (http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/04/21/shuhei-yoshida-not-sure-whether-will-playstation-5/ , http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1235541). In all seriousness though Sony had just filed a patent for the vita successor right before that developer session you linked (http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/02/17/sony-files-patent-for-what-looks-like-a-switch-esque-handheld). I'm sure they've been working on another handheld.

    @Haru17 What? Ask the same of the Switch. The answer was Breath of the Wild apparently. Which is also on the Wii U... with less lag. A handheld doesn't need dedicated games. It will never outperform a console counterpart which would be able to run anything that the handheld could.



  • @Ross said in Sony's Next Handheld *Allies Assemble*:

    @Haru17 What? Ask the same of the Switch. The answer was Breath of the Wild apparently. Which is also on the Wii U... with less lag. A handheld doesn't need dedicated games. It will never outperform a console counterpart which would be able to run anything that the handheld could.

    The answer is every single Nintendo game, both console and handheld. The Wii U was unexciting due to its marketing, so they had to start on a clean slate. I asked for games. If you're going to contest my point, please tell me any software at all that would be released on the PSP 3. Netflix, even.

    If you can't answer such a basic question in the gaming space, the presumptive conclusion is that your device just doesn't have a reason to exist.



  • @Haru17 Every single Playstation game, both console and handheld?



  • @Haru17 Persona 5 Golden



  • @ib0show Persona 5 Crimson, where you can optionally play as the villain and see things from their perspective. I might be dreaming a little too big here.


  • Banned

    The way things are Sony may as well just make their next handheld a phone with their own app marketplace. They've always tried to market it as an all in one entertainment device. Go all the way with it. Get people to carry it around with them not to just play games, but to have it as a necessity.

    They already have the Xperia which can stream PS4 games and use the Dualshock. They just need to take it one step further and advertise the damn thing.



  • @Ross So it's a physical virtual console? Why do people buy that? The Switch isn't that, despite your joke, it's new games that Nintendo and their partnered developers produce.

    Does the PSP 3 play new games by the time it's out alongside the PS5? If not, it loses out on the benefit of their cumulative marketing pushes and just becomes a better PS Vita TV. How would that be worth the designing and manufacturing of a next gen handheld, as well as the development costs for all of those ports?

    @SabotageTheTruth I don't think the villains in Persona 5 have perspectives, honestly. I struggle to think how this Persona game could be improved with an Ultimate or G-version. My only issues really are certain parts of the writing, which are already on the page at this point.



  • @Haru17 I mean... the previous 2 games received "enhanced" releases. I'd put money on them doing the same here, especially given sales figures.



  • @Haru17 Are you saying that no games will be released on a hypothetical console



  • @ib0show I'm saying that you guys aren't thinking of many games for Sony's hypothetical handheld. Not having Monster Hunter due to Nintendo's past exclusivity deal probably crippled the Vita in Japan, especially considering how well a 2.0 version of a series compilation title is currently selling on 3DS.



  • @Haru17 If Sony release a console there will be support. I'm sure they will get Street Fighter 2, NBA 2k18, Fifa 18 and hey maybe even Skyrim.



  • @ib0show We only get the privilege to overlook first-party games on Nintendo systems because we know they'll come to the system. That gives it a chance to succeed and garner third-party AAAs.

    Sony has literally shut down most of its Vita developer studios or moved them to other projects, like Guerrilla Cambridge who made Killzone Mercenary, Rigs for PSVR, and was then shut down.



  • @Haru17 How about GTA 5, Battlefield, Final Fantasy 15, Until Dawn, Bloodborne, Last of Us, Horizon, ... , Fallout? Does it really matter if you can also purchase these for a home console and play them on a portable through cross buy/play platform? What new games do you want? Did you want 1-2-Switch, Fast RMX, Kamiko, New Frontier Days, Snipperclips, and Super Bomberman R? I can't tell you exactly what games I would want specifically for the next Sony handheld but what I can tell you is that whatever they are should have no problem running on PS4/PS5. The same goes for the Switch. No reason games on the Switch shouldn't be able to run on the next Nintendo console.



  • @Ross So people are going to buy a portable that will cost $400 to play 2013 and 2015's hits, which are also playable on the console they definitely already own? Console war complaints against Nintendo Switch launch titles do not compose a successful competitor system (I very much doubt you're going to see a stationary console from them for a while — the Switch is that).

    Anyway, you're not describing a Vita successor, you're describing a weird reverse PS Vita TV-thing that none of us will be excited for in the alternate reality where it's announced.