Switch Online Services & Voice Chat

  • @ZyloWolfBane I'm just going to see how it works before tearing into it. I guess what would've been better here is if it was an option rather than the way you had to do it. People don't like to be told they have to try something different. They want what they're used to and comfortable with. That's why it's so hard to convince people to try motion controls even when they're good. People are stubborn and hate change.

    @CGamor7 Definitely the minority right now, but I wouldn't call it unconventional. It works or they wouldn't do it at all. How is having your phone near you while on the go inconvenient? It's one of the few guaranteed objects you'd take with you while out on the go? If you had to take a clunky laptop around I'd understand, but Nintendo isn't wrong to assume people will have their phones with them.

    Nah, honestly I don't like the phone bit. I didn't even own a smartphone when it was announced, but my phone broke shortly after so it gave me an excuse to finally get one. I feel bad for people who don't have smartphones, but being one of people who didn't have one until recently I really felt like I was one of the last people in the modern age without one, so I doubt it's going to wall off too many people who can already drop money on a $300+ system.

    I'm not trying to defend voicechat through your phone. I'm trying to say this completely optional headset they made that works with voicechat through your phone is literally just a normal headset with one extra cord that plugs into your phone which people are condemning as way more cumbersome than that actually is. Having two cords coming off of something versus one doesn't make a huge difference. Then again, half the people throwing a fit over this think you are required to have this special headset and don't even know the intention is to simply have your phone out in front of you.

    @Yoshi Would be good if they released a peripheral that did this without the need to use your smartphone for when you're at home so you wouldn't have to worry about battery life of your phone during long gameplay sessions, but I guarantee you if they did this people would then complain about Nintendo trying to sell them yet another expensive peripheral. I don't think Wii Speak was very successful either, so I don't see it happening.

  • @Yoshi They're not making you do anything. It's your choice.

  • @ib0show either use their extremely shitty system of doing voice chat or go without voice chat for yet ANOTHER gen. yay!

    great options i've got there!!!

  • @Yoshi Or just use Discord like everyone already does and most likely will continue to do.

  • @Mbun Discord doesn't recognise my laptops inbuilt microphone for some weird reason. i use google hangouts instead.

  • @Yoshi Strange. Yeah, my laptop I got from a friend has some weird quirks too. Try looking up drivers for your model of laptop. You might be able to fix it. That's what it took to get the memory card reader on mine to work.

  • @Mbun Ive mentioned it before but having my phone out with me isn't an issue, its meant to have with me for phone calls and text if needed. it's the idea of having to use it along side my gaming that I find cumbersome. Whether that be connecting a head set via cord to two devices or having two audio sources (chat from phone, audio from tv or switch) while I'll play. Even just having my phone sit next to me while being on it's not something I want. I also don't think it's fair to say ppl are freaking out. I mean for myself I'm just stating what I don't like about it. (You don't need to respond to this, we've talked lots about it already lol).

    In the end it could just be a feature I don't use. Your right about ppl not liking change and maybe this is something a lot of ppl might be able to adapt to. Especially ppl who already live on their phone.

    The difference here could also be how I view my phone. for myself I don't use my phone like others. That's partially because I'm a different generation (mind you there's still plenty ppl my age that can't put down their phones), but i also don't like being on it constantly. I know for some that isn't an issue, especially a generation that has been using smart phones and tablets their whole lives. I see ppl use multiple devices with dual monitors and several apps open while doing school work, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Nintendo is feeling comfortable with this. Maybe they caught on to something, especially because of how the Japanese interact with their phones. I would be curious to know Japanese views of the voice chat system, or even just ppl that use their phone as a constant extension of themselves everyday.

  • Eurogamer also gave their impressions http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-07-19-nintendos-new-online-service-looks-like-it-could-be-every-bit-as-bad-as-you-feared

    As much as I'd love to, I can't see any positives to this approach. I tried to remain open-minded and optimistic about this app because I figured they could add all sorts of nice touches - and they have, with the stat-checking, store access, etc. I'm sure they could have features like that for every game and it would be sweet.

    But in terms of voice chat / friend interaction, this is as backwards and pointless as ever. I don't see how anybody would use their app over the dozens of better alternatives.

    Let's hope they take the upcoming feedback shitstorm into account and improve this.

  • Banned

    @Axel How can they improve this without rereleasing the entire console?

  • @El-Shmiablo They can at the very least improve it for some people but maybe not everyone.

    Have the voice chat app on the Switch also and allow bluetooth headsets to work with the device.

  • @El-Shmiablo I mean improve the app itself, it has a lot of obvious flaws right now but it could still be turned into something cool.

  • I can't imagine how someone at Nintendo thought that this was a good solution. It shouldn't have been any more complex than plugging in a headset to your Switch, so why the added peripheral and forcing you to use a phone?
    I can't see Nintendo solving this for free, so they will try and sell an updated Switch down the line with this added functionality.

    I skipped the Wii and WiiU. Things like this doesn't exactly make me want to buy your Switch either, Nintendo.

  • @suplextrain Plugging a headset into your joycons that you're waving around and are strapped to your wrist or a pro controller that doesn't come with the console and you have to pay seventy extra dollars for isn't an elegant solution either. This wasn't a terrible idea on paper for what they were working with. They just screwed up their app. They could still patch and fix it, but I'm not holding my breath and it's not ready for Splatoon 2's launch tomorrow, so this is a failure. I'll still use their app for Splatnet 2, but sticking to Discord for voice chat.

    But as easy as it is to criticize Nintendo's failure here, if you at all give a crap about their online structure and presence, you should at least be happy they're finally cutting the bullcrap excuses and trying. Just let them know where they're going wrong with this, so they can improve for next time, because even a dumb failure here and now is better than what they were doing before, nothing. Hoping after all the negative press and comments next time they get it right.

  • Banned

    @Axel The fact you need an app at all in the first place is what makes this method inherently broken.

    I just don't understand how they did this right on the fucking DS but managed to completely shit the bed on their main line console released in the year 2017.

  • @Mbun said in Switch Online Services & Voice Chat:

    But as easy as it is to criticize Nintendo's failure here

    They have had 2 gens and several portable devices to get this right. Heck they're basically 1 console ahead of Microsoft and Playstation since they released the Switch in the same gen as the WiiU. So any criticism is justified. Making excuses for Nintendo for at least making tiny babysteps, eventually, is wrong. The more people defend them and try and smooth things over the less Nintendo will "try".
    It's bad and they need to do better. The key problem is that Nintendo doesn't listen. They do their own thing. People have been telling them precisely what they want for years and years now.

    As I said, this is the kind of stuff that made me stop caring about Nintendo. At this point I've pretty much given up on them. I might sound overly negative but that's because I'm just so baffled at how things like this was even green-lit in the first place. They need to hire people with actual know-how in these fields and listen to them.

  • I could be wrong, but maybe they're trying to keep applications off the system so it remains smooth and fast? I don't want it to become like my PS4, it's unbearable these days.

    Not defending it, I think it's absurd that VC works this way, but just wondering why.

    I'm starting to wonder if they will even have Netflix or YouTube and other apps on the switch, which I'm perfectly fine not having because I like it the way it is just fine. I have other devices for that. But the fact you use your cell phone for voice chat and party finding maybe means that they probably view Netflix and YouTube type apps as something you can use on your phone as well. Unless it's been stated all these things are already coming, then this comment is completely pointless lol.

    @suplextrain despite Nintendo's method here and continuing to do things that make people go huh? the switch is a really great console. Im really enjoying it. So it would be to bad for you or anyone else to write it off because of voice chat.

  • @CGamor7 said in Switch Online Services & Voice Chat:

    So it would be to bad for you or anyone else to write it off because of voice chat.

    I'm not writing off the switch just because of voicechat. The system has no appeal to me (no use for a big portable system that can't even fit into a pocket), as a home console it's massively underpowered, and the library does absolutely nothing for me (I got burned out on Mario and Zelda years ago).

    I repeatedly try and give Nintendo chances to pull me back in, but instead they keep tripping up. It's annoying since I used to love Nintendo as a kid.

  • Banned

    @suplextrain They actually got it right a while ago. Anybody remember the mic for the DS?

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    This is how misguided the management is at Nintendo. Somehow they have managed to fuck this up.

    Then again, we probably shouldn't expect much from the company that actively tells it's employees to ignore Xbox Live and PSN when creating their own online infrastructure 6 months before they release a console.

  • @suplextrain said:

    Making excuses for Nintendo for at least making tiny babysteps, eventually, is wrong. The more people defend them and try and smooth things over the less Nintendo will "try".

    I'm not making excuses. I'm saying I'm glad they're actually trying now. I'm not defending this horrible functionality either. I'm saying people need to step up and tell Nintendo this is bad and why it's bad, so they can fix it next time. It's not "welp they screwed this up, it's done forever". They can either fix the app into a usable state or try again next time. Maybe they're listening, maybe not. Just scream at them louder, through social media and those surveys.

    @CGamor7 Japan has NicoNico on the Switch now, so Youtube should be coming.

    @suplextrain said:

    (I got burned out on Mario and Zelda years ago)

    I hope you didn't hop in during New Super Mario Bros. and Skyward Sword.

    @El-Shmiablo said:

    Then again, we probably shouldn't expect much from the company that actively tells it's employees to ignore Xbox Live and PSN when creating their own online infrastructure 6 months before they release a console.

    Is that a real thing or are you just kinda starting rumors?