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    @dipset Lolz. The new owners didn't do anything wrong. If he didn't want to stick to what the NEW owners wanted for the SPORTS website you are going to get FIRED. AND if the rest of the union writers don't get it well as a owner will see it's better to fire them ALL then have to deal with unreasonable people.



  • @acidtrip-69 Yes. People are disposable. If they don't follow their corporate masters blindly, even when they make terrible decisions, they should just all be fired en masse.



  • @acidtrip-69

    That isn't how things work. These publications operate independently of their owners and there are primary Editor-In-Chief's or Editor-At-Large's who are in charge of managing their workplace. For example, Naughty Dog has a studio head but they are owned by Sony and their work is largely un-monitored.

    You cannot suddenly fire somebody the same day you make a new mandate. And again, no single publication writes exclusively about one single topic. You go to a media outlet for the writers as well as their reporting. I've been reading sports columns my entire life and Deadspin is no different in that their writers are human who have their own unique take on events and like to talk about a variety of topics. I don't think you will find one publication that exclusively talks about sports, not even ESPN, even after their mandate to focus on sports, they still approve lots of articles outside of that.

    You wouldn't have legendary writers without sports columnists deviating from the norm. I suggest reading the absolutely seminal article by Hunter S. Thompson "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved" from 1970: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kentucky_Derby_Is_Decadent_and_Depraved

    This is being spun into something about the left pushing politics into everything. That isn't even the case. This is about a corporation not respecting a union agreement and corporate superseding an editorial team. Again, these types of things have happened before and Deadspin might suffer more firings if they don't want to obey. Bill Simmons was one of the biggest sports journalists and media moguls in the sports / entertainment industry across NBA, NFL, and Hollywood, but even ESPN gave him the boot and shut down his website. Deadspin might suffer the same fate.

    My whole point is that this more in-line with: corporate mandate vs editorial staff / ability to shift website focus, as opposed to "corporate fighting against left media bias".


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  • @acidtrip-69

    In simplest terms... yes you can fire people when they suck. That isn't what is happening here. Also going back to the sports analogy that you made; if you buy a sports teams and a player sucks so you release them, you still very likely owe them "guaranteed money" which is often in the millions. That goes without even mentioning that there is the NFLPA, etc

    If things were as simple as you make them out to be, we wouldn't have very many workplace conflicts would we? Teachers want more money - fire them! Pilots want to unionize - fire them!

    Or you can spend 10 minutes to analyze a situation and attempt to understand it better.


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    @dipset said in That's News!:

    @acidtrip-69

    In simplest terms... yes you can fire people when they suck. That isn't what is happening here. Also going back to the sports analogy that you made; if you buy a sports teams and a player sucks so you release them, you still very likely owe them "guaranteed money" which is often in the millions. That goes without even mentioning that there is the NFLPA, etc

    If things were as simple as you make them out to be, we wouldn't have very many workplace conflicts would we? Teachers want more money - fire them! Pilots want to unionize - fire them!

    Or you can spend 10 minutes to analyze a situation and attempt to understand it better.

    I would be glad to have lawyer's make a deal for both party's to be happy to let go of the bad player if it means I can hire a great new player with better potential.



  • @acidtrip-69

    And that is completely fair. Perhaps G/O Media does want to go this route and re-staff with people they think are more suitable to run a sports column. Re-evaluate how they wish Deadspin to operate and let go whoever doesn't agree with their mandate. That might be the route they want to take, and Deadspin as well as the GM Writers Union might completely disagree and die on that hill. The whole point is that this is a growing story, there isn't a ton of clarity as to what is specifically happening. We can't just assume things are so cut and dry.

    For example, saying "if you don't want to write about sports we don't need you because we have x-amount of other websites" is not how things actually work. G/O Media doesn't just take articles from one website and put it into another. Again, things aren't this simple. I work for a giant corporate overlord myself, they absolutely DO NOT meddle in the way we operate. Just as an example.





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    Didn't they give it before?


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    @dipset let's say if I wanted to read about the NEW 2020 Shelby GT 500 so I go to Motor Trend but when I go to the website and all I see is Political things. Guess what I'm going to leave, so I go to Car and Driver website but the same story happens. So I go to Road and Track and they just stick to Car news. Guess what website I'm going to use for car news?Just for example. The same for gaming news, tech and science news.



  • @acidtrip-69

    And that’s totally cool you’d react that way. In some circumstances, I would do the same thing. That perspective is precisely what makes this issue complex. There isn’t a cut and dry answer here as digital media has struggled to find a perfect balance of clicks and quality content. However, your example is actually contrary to what data suggests in that sports specific content doesn’t generate as much traffic. So while they might lose your readership because you prefer a better home for automotive news, Deadspin still succeeds in generating traffic with its variety of writers and topics.

    With that said, take a look at how our fond old friend GameTrailers died. GAME. TRAILERS. You would go to GT in 2005-2011 and find every game trailer under the sun. But then they started focusing on on a variety of content like Retrospectives, Previews, Don’s Design Lab, etc. The reason - they needed clicks and you could find a game trailer a lot faster and without ads on YouTube. GT perhaps lived longer by deviating away from mere game trailers but they definitely died because their new programs didn’t stand out in the giant market.

    Again, it isn’t simple and it’s difficult to read. Maybe you are right and these companies need to focus in more on what their website “mission” is - I.e. gaming news, but this is something that all outlets struggle with.

    Overall, this isn’t some corporate cleanse of leftist media that the fringes of YouTube and Twitter are making it out to be.



  • Dipset you fool, stop making sense. Just fall in line and stop dissenting. What are you, some kind of socialist?



  • @dipset You're an absolute saint for handling this as calmly as you are.



  • @dipset Well said, just heard about this stuff and I'm thankful you guys kinda spelled out what was going on over there. Mostly what I've been hearing from another forum was a lot of this Kotaku is left leaning and no one likes that so everyone is getting fired, the 'get woke, go broke' vibe if your familiar.
    Personally I like kotaku, Jason often breaks meaningful stories in the industry and I often see articles about things in gaming culture I had no idea about. They also often spotlight quality indie games that aren't getting a ton of attention.
    I know the company has been having issues for a while and at some point I'm not going to be surprised if Kotaku goes under. A lotta sites I really enjoyed have, RIP GameTrailers/1Up



  • @capnbobamous @TheMarcV

    It's a two or three pronged issue from my perspective

    1. Deadspin writer being fired for "not writing about sports". Not entirely hearsay as G/O Media confirmed his firing and their sports-only mandate. Is this ethical or is it even legal per their union contract?
    2. Kotaku Staff publishes article about annoying ads being out of their control. G/O Media is flooded with emails. Removes article and closes down email account. Perhaps related to the firing above, perhaps completely unrelated. Very difficult to tell but the union is upset over both issues #1 & #2 and will be fighting both decisions.
    3. People falsely claiming that left bias media publications are being fired or on their death bed when nothing about #1 or #2 substantiates this. FYI, nobody from Kotaku has been fired. From the information we have, this is entirely about a disagreement over G/O Media firing a union staff writer. The same sort of conflict many workplaces go through.

    I think in the end, this has little to do with games or games media itself but more to do with business and they way this media family operates. Like this is an operations issue between a union and employer. I don't know how video games got to strongly brought into the fold. This isn't Gamer Gate 2.0 as people are calling it. It's just kinda a major disagreement between two parties.



  • @dipset Gotcha, I didn't know about their article regarding ads that were upsetting their viewers before reading this thread. It's not hard to understand why this would angry upper management. Ads and gaming sites have always had issues as I see it, either people think the ads are forming the sites opinions or you have something like what happened with Jeff at Gamespot all those years ago. In general it seems hard to keep website profitable if most or all rev is coming from Ads.



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    That was Outlast 1


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    @dipset What I don't like about this and don't get how the Unions don't understand that how and what they choose to write about is very off putting to many readers and will make them loose many readers. Theses websites are all ready BLEEDING readers and views, but some how theses unions still DEMAND more money not understanding that there isn't enough money cuz they ran the website to the ground. And yes some here may not like the saying Go Woke Go Broke, but sometimes it does apply to somethings. But it won't matter if theses companies are in CA, cuz the NEW law on free writers a lot of people are going to get fired or the company will move out of state.

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  • @acidtrip-69 I know I've never really got the negativity around the whole Woke thing, always seems like being 'Woke' was really just being open minded and more empathetic. Like I'm totally down for a larger variety in characters in media showing more woman and minorities. As long as the actor can really embody that character I don't really care what gender/race they are. Vice verse if they cast someone that doesn't embody the character it's just bad casting or writing or any number of other things that could cause something to be bad. I know there's a lot of push back on this stuff but it just doesn't bother me.