Hall of Greats Compendium
Axel last edited by
I also don't like the slippery slope of alliances multiplying and tricks like anti-chips, I'm afraid we'd end up having games inducted that really don't deserve to be there.
I agree with the others that games should earn their spot on their quality and strength of the presentation alone, as they're supposed to represent the collective tastes of the Allies. If Mega Man Legends makes it one day purely off the back of multiple shenanigans despite nobody but Kyle liking the game, it'll suck in my opinion.
That being said, this latest installment was awesome and gave us a lot of fascinating and fun presentations, I honestly would have been stumped if I had to vote myself, so many Greats in that list (or soon-to-be)!
On the topic of alliances and "Anti-chips":
My opinion ONLY in regards to alliances in the context and confines of the Hall of Greats: If you have to have an alliance, you do not have faith in either yourself as a presenter, or the "Greatness" of the game you're bringing. That's what it feels like to me. Personally, a game should get in on a combination of its merit and the presentation provided, ABSOLUTELY NOT by a predetermined agreement prior to the ceremonies, especially in light of the fact neither Ally has any knowledge of what the other is bringing.
As for "Anti-chips," any concept to sabotage or "drag down" a game when the purpose and point of the Hall of Greats is to hold them up to be lauded (cross-examination being the one time to critique of course) feels completely wrong, and flies in the face of what the Hall of Greats means, both in name and in function.
The process, for me, has been entertaining each and every time, but as Mr. Damiani pointed out: The alliances were kind of pointless this go round. My point: With or without, alliances do not diminish the quality of entertainment the Allies give us in this unique (and personally speaking one of the overall best types of content) stream.
A7X458 last edited by
I think the only way to get the game that got third in is a multi allie secret alliance.
I enjoyed the HoG (as always), even though I had to watch it on youtube. I dont really see why they would need alliances or pacts. I think it should just be the emtions that controls and take the presentations in mind.
The final result was still very interesting and made for a good show, but I think that for the future, they should just vote from their own minds.
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@lotias Agreed. I guess its really just for fun but I don't know how we're supposed to give any value to the games included if voting is skewed by alliances.
They're not respecting the sanctity of a greatest games list. The system is corrupt!
SabotageTheTruth last edited by
I'm still salty because Silent Hill 2 should have made it in this round. I was really expecting Ian's video to start off normal, hear a klaxon, and then have a bunch of strange effects over some more points as to why it is absolutely the best horror game ever made... Instead it got hit hard for being one of the weaker presentations, which is totally fair.
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Yeah, down with alliances. The games should be getting through on their own merits and the strength of the presentations, not by shenanigans.
bard91 last edited by bard91
Alliances really should go away, it diminishes the whole point of everyone presenting arguments if in the end that's not gonna matter and people will just end up casting a preplanned vote. I've seen a lot of complaints about it in both the youtube vide so hopefully Bosman stops being stubborn and gets rid of them.
SabotageTheTruth last edited by SabotageTheTruth
Welp, this coming Tuesday is another HOG stream and it's the final group stream in the garage. Damn, so many memories over the past 3 years but this will be a good change, plus HOG feels like a proper send-off stream.
Inustar last edited by
I am... conflicted.
I am happy they are moving up in the world.
But I am gonna miss that garage... and Sophie.
Looking forward to the HOGs though, as always. I wonder what Don is gonna pitch this time?
This one was marred a little for me, because I got hit with buffering RIGHT when voting was getting underway. I missed Huber's three vote, and all of Kyle's and Bloodworth's choices. That said, I was pulling for three games and two of them wound up being on the poll (the third was quickly dismissed, so I'm a touch salty about that). The outright winner was GOING to be the outright winner the instant it's name was said. And between what's up for the vote, there's one clear choice, despite the fact I really like the other.
bam541 last edited by bam541
Oh boy, this was so nervewrecking for me. I was tearing my hair out during that voting section. Thank god for Brad and Brandon (my heroes!) for saving my baby, lol.
The 1st spot game absolutely deserved it, i'm not the biggest fan of it but i can't deny the great things it does, and i completely understand why people love it so much. As for the tiebreaker, well i hope you Patrons do it right, just as you did before.
Goodbye Jones' garage, you have been nothing but essential to the allies. I'll miss you.
ACardAttack last edited by
So Im really confused, doesnt Kyle hate LTTP? But he loves Link's Awakening?
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How the hell did Deus Ex not get any votes??!!!?????!!!!! Like Im literally speechless
With how the current Patreon poll is going and taking a look into prior Hall of Greats' results by the numbers, I get the feeling it is VERY possible the loser will be brought back AND make it in during the next induction.
My "evidence" to support my theory?
The first HoG was the only other instance a Patreon vote was enacted and the loser (Super Street Fighter II) immediately got in the next HoG.
In instances where the top two were close to one another, with the exception of Final Fantasy IX and The Witcher III, a game that has placed in third being VERY close to second eventually was inducted in the following HoG three times: the aforementioned Street Fighter II, Castlevania: SotN, and the winner of this most recent one
- "Salty Runbacks" or games returning from previous nominations have a surprisingly good track record:
1.) Resident Evil: Remake was brought at the first and got 0 votes (this is prior, and probably the impetus for, the one year ban rule), but eventually was nominated.
2.) Bloodborne was brought three times, garnering more votes each time until its eventual induction.
3.) Super Street Fighter II has been touched on.
4.) Mega Man Legends has been brought three times and is probably the most notable in regards to not making it in, only having three votes COMBINED, one vote at EACH appearance. I include this to highlight the exception, or flaw if you will, to my thinking.
5.) Castlevania: SotN has been touched on.
6.) If the Patreon Poll ends with the same result, Portal will join RE:make as being the second game to wait a while before making it in.
7.) Link's Awakening, The Last of Us, Dark Souls, and Silent Hill 2 are currently the only games that have been brought twice and not be nominated. Of those, Link's Awakening has accumulated 13 combined votes, Silent Hill 2 as accured 11, Darks Souls has eight, and The Last of Us holds seven.
8.) Regardless of who loses, but at this time it appears to be God of War, this nominee will have the most votes ever to NOT eventually make it in
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@brannox I think that (how we call them) the "Salty Runbacks" are bound to happen and are organic to this kind of process.
All the games mentioned before , have a strong emotional impact to at least 1 of the Allies, so naturally you will see them being brought back time and time again till they make it in, like Castelnavia SotN, Bloodbourn, and RE Remake.
So its safe to assume that, Dark Souls, Links Awakening, TLoU, Silent Hill 2 and Mega Man Legends, statistically will make it in sooner than later. My bets are in for them making it in, in that same order. :P
@acardattack I can stand behind Kyle on that distinction, don't @ me! XD.
I think Kyle makes a good case during hes presentation describing it as three major points, "Simplicity, Cohension, and
Weaponized Quaintness". All of this three things are what makes LTTP and LA, very, very different.
@edsortiz That's very true, but also consider that with nine different entries per stream, and only two openings per, if something votes extremely well and DOESN'T get in, then it's a great indicator it's inclusion is imminent, because it's a strong signal to the Ally who brought said game they can succeed with it if they choose to bring it again.
And to your point about the list of games brought twice eventually making it in, I personally think Link's Awakening (based off cumulative votes) and the Last of Us (based off mindshare) are much more likely to get in sooner than later than Dark Souls (because Bloodborne is now in) and Mega Man Legends (It only has one vote in each appearance. I think Mr. Bosman has gotten the hint).
However, all that said, if an Ally does NOT bring the loser of the Patreon poll for the next stream, I FULLY believe the next two entrants will be games that haven't been brought yet.
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@edsortiz Megaman Legends? Do you really think that's gonna get in?
I love Bosman's passion for that game but no one else seems invested. And considering how many amazing games that aren't in yet, I can't picture that one getting in for years. Unless he manages to get everyone else to vote based on arguments only.... or pity votes 😁