Hall of Greats Compendium



  • @edsortiz Megaman Legends? Do you really think that's gonna get in?
    I love Bosman's passion for that game but no one else seems invested. And considering how many amazing games that aren't in yet, I can't picture that one getting in for years. Unless he manages to get everyone else to vote based on arguments only.... or pity votes 😁



  • @inustar I was being a bit "jokey" with that one, but the point i was making is, that if you keep bringing the game up, statistically will make it in at some point (of course excluding simply bad games). I know it will be rough to get in, but I think at some point it might, its a really amazing game.



  • Congratz to the new inductee Portal, for winning the Patreon poll for the Hall of Greats



  • Portal 2 is an actual video game. Portal 1 is a tech demo.

    The boss fight with Glados didn't matter, because it was about the Portal mechanics, and not about making an overall good videogame. Sure, they did really well to put out what they did and make it as good as they did, but Portal 2 blows it out of the water in every single way.

    I loved that thing to death when it released but it should not be in the Hall of Greats when Portal 2 is a thing that exists.



  • @hazz3r A 3 hour tech demo? Then it's gotta be the greatest tech demo of all time, coming in at that length and originality.

    I also prefer the first Portal to the 2nd, because it's much more focused. The 2nd tries to slam you over the head with humor, while the first felt subtle. I've gladly completed the first game multiple times while I've never felt compelled to finish the 2nd, because it really loses me with its pacing. While things like goo and light bridges do add to the overall complexity of puzzles in the second game, it didn't feel like a groundbreaking experience when it released - it was a sequel that added things.



  • I prefer Portal 2 to Portal 1, but Portal 1 is still a fantastic game and deserves to be recognized as One of the Greats (tm).



  • I think portal 1's better than 2 because it's more compact and doesn't feel like it's constantly going for the ha ha's the same way 2 did at times. I'll never see a short runtime for a game as a negative as long as it has replay value or leaves an impression. I'd rather play 10 amazing 1 hour games than 1 mediocre 10 hour game even if it cost me more money in the long run.

    I also think calling Portal a tech demo is disingenuous since a lot of Valve's games can feel tech demo-y at times if you wanna have that mindset (gravity gun in HL2 and the gels in portal 2 say hello.)



  • I basically just agree with Brad. Portal 2 is a better game.

    Perhaps Tech Demo is too strong a phrase, all I mean is that Portal is very pure, very experimental. the entire game revolves around that mechanic and everything else is a little garnish. They didn't have the budget to do much with the story, but that was well used by making the game feel oppressive but empty.

    On the other hand, Portal 2 is better. It's got better writing, better set-pieces, better puzzles, better level design, and builds on the foundation that Portal put into place so well, while being infinitely more replayable.

    The best analogy that I can think of that explains my perspective. It's like Metal Gear Solid VR Missions being in the Hall of Greats rather than Metal Gear Solid 1.

    But... that's just my take at the end of the day.



  • I think Portal is perfect because what it's trying to do. It's not as complete as like Portal 2, but it's not meant to be like that either. It's a brilliant short game, still very engaging and unique to this day. I think that MGS VR mission is a bit inaccurate, i would say that it's like the MGS V Ground Zeroes situation, but it's like a bonus for buying an already good bundle of game instead (The Orange Box). It's a properly packaged and priced "prologue". That's my opinion, anyway.



  • Not that I have a lot to add to this debate, but I think vanilla game vs vanilla game, Portal 1 is better than Portal 2.

    Sure, P2 has the larger community and more puzzle mechanics to play with, but the main story wasn't as great. I didn't like crawling out of the bowels of Aperture as much as I enjoyed Portal 1 spinning itself upside down on its own head. A simple puzzle room game where you slowly devolve into practical horror trying to escape Aperture. Portal 2 never reached that level of excitement just by virtue of it being a sequel.

    Portal 1 was lightening in a bottle and ONE OF THE GREATS!

    As per God of War. I like the game but I don't even think it is the best in the series. I'd say if I had to rank the series, I'd put it at the bottom just ahead of Ascension. It is a good game, but God of War 1 or God of War 2 should be one of the greats before God of War PS4. Not even convinced GoW PS4 is a great game in general.