Hall of Greats Compendium



  • @hazz3r Welcome! Glad it'll be a helpful thing for ya! Usually I have been more comfortable with front-end so wanted to try out some back-end practice!



  • I bought Sim City 4 yesterday, since it’s $4 on Steam! I realized, I’ve bought a lot of Don’s games. The only ones I probably won’t get are Pandemonium and Jurassic Park. Super Mario Maker, I have 2, so I have it essentially! Trials Fusion is tempting, so maybe one day. Alien vs Predator seems quite elusive so who knows about that one



  • If anyone hasn't seen, the website has Hall of Greats listed for Tuesday night! Ceremony #14! My hope is that it's time for Breath of the Wild or God of War. My website will hopefully be updated that Wednesday!



  • Excellent. Great way to end the year.



  • Going through all the old Hall of Greats this evening while I'm cooking dinner (won't get through them all, but I just wanted a recap). I'll probably go on a small media blackout tomorrow until I'm able to watch it because I may not be able to watch it live. Just getting myself stoked!

    What's everyone's favorite inductee and/or presentation?



  • @happygaming World of Warcraft is always the first one I think of because it won the first time it was brought back from being banned. Jones delivered a great case for it that made me want it in The Hall, and I haven't even played it.



  • Favorite inductee: Final Fantasy VII

    Favorite presentation? Ian's interactive text based "Choose your own nominee" that ultimately was decided to be Silent Hill at HoG 12, a.k.a the last group stream (and I think last overall) EZA did in the Studio pre-COVID.



  • Tetris is my favourite entry.



  • Yeah I think my favorite inductee is because of the presentation, with Jones presenting World of Warcraft. That presentation was A-Tier!



  • Despite the fact I cared for nothing that was nominated, much less those that got in, I did enjoy the stream overall, with special shout out and applause to Mr. Damiani for having all the tech run very smoothly. The comment about Konami mistreating Silent Hill had me laugh the hardest and Mr. Hinck had himself a night (Good lord the amount of times Silent Hill 2 has been nominated and not made it in. I think it now holds that record)!



  • Agreed @Brannox! Finished Shadow of the Colossus last year, but that was the only game I spent a real amount of time with this session. Highly enjoyed it the ceremony overall though! One day Silent Hill 2 will be added to the winners. Huber's first ban! Which is crazy.



  • That was a fun HoG session! While the competition is absolutely stacked, I'm still bummed that Skyrim got banned, especially since Brandon's arguments and defense are very well done IMO. Don's lovable indifference of the presentation rules is so hilarious. Also, I would totally give Sonic Mania 3 points just because of the soundtrack alone.



  • @happygaming favorite inductee for me is TLOU for sure, and favorite presentation is Time Crisis 2. I really enjoy Huber's passion, and during the TC2 presentation it also accentuated the nostalgia for me, haven't played an arcade shoot-em-up in years. Him mentioning the clacking sounds of the gun makes me feel so warm inside.



  • @brunojoey Technically, Huber's first ban would have been at the first HoG with Resident Evil Remake, which ultimately became enshrined alongside Resident Evil 4, but yeah, "officially" it's a little wild. But hey, last night's ceremony were all games EZA has discussed ad nauseum.



  • A bit of a low energy HoG, but some good entrants this quarter. I gotta say, Skyrim and Silent Hill 2 might not be HoG material. I definitely like both games but wouldn't count either of them as "one of the greats". Their performance in the HoG's might be evidence of it too.



  • @dipset Personally I agree about Skyrim, but I think that Silent Hill is really an outstanding game and an achievement in horror. That being said, I think the difficult thing is that horror is so subjective. Everyone admires a different branch, so it can be hard to present it to a panel of people who may have very varying horror interests, and probably makes it one of the most difficult genres to get into HoG.



  • @happygaming

    I recently played Silent Hill 1 & 2 for the first time a few years ago, and I really like both games, but if you play them back to back like I did, it's impossible to ignore how much SH2 rehashes a lot of the design from Silent Hill 1. I honestly find the first game is more original and the sequel is more of the same. For example, the apartment complex in SH2 is basically the exact same location and plays the exact same as the school in SH1. Both parts are long drawn areas of the game.

    Then in regards to the HoG's arguments for it, they keep arguing how amazing the storytelling is but this argument is woefully choosing to ignore extremely bad voice acting and dialogue. I don't disagree that the plot and setup is really thoughtful and I appreciate how the enemies and locations all feed in on the themes of the game world, but that doesn't mean the game isn't full of bad cutscenes.

    I just think it's a hard sell for Hall of Greats. Especially when there are multiple Resident Evil games in there and those games are the prototype for classic survival horror. You already have the crowning achievement represented so its hard to say, "well this one is also one of the greats" when the game it took most of its ideas from is already in the HoG's in the first place.



  • @dipset

    I've been revisiting the old inductions over the last week or so, and I think something that also makes it difficult for Silent Hill 2 is like, how you mentioned, that it doesn't reinvent the game from the original (also one of my favorites though). I think it is similar mechanically to a classic Resident Evil, but I also think the way it prioritizes certain elements over others really turns it into its own thing.

    Looking at Resident Evil 4 and Remake, those are both games that are a peak of their respective styles, and managed to change something dramatically that the industry took note of. Silent Hill 2, with nothing against 3 or 4, was basically the peak of an excellent and unique franchise that only went downhill afterwards, and the industry just didn't really take a lot of inspiration from how it played. Even thematically, there just aren't a lot of psychological-horror games with stories told in quite the same way.

    There are a lot of games that have come out which we can clearly trace a trajectory from, and Silent Hill 2 just unfortunately didn't inspire those in the same way that things like those Resident Evil games did. I don't think that makes Silent Hill a worse game, but I do think it makes it harder to look at from a global or broader historical perspective as an inductee into the HoG.

    As far as horror theming goes though, I definitely recognize I'm slightly biased; I lean way more towards Silent Hill theming and pace than Resident Evil for my personal tastes.



  • @happygaming

    Yeah and like the Allies too, I almost feel bad for criticizing a game that I genuinely like such as Silent Hill 2, but in terms of being objective about the "electability" of the game, I think we laid down a case why it's a hard sell, despite it being a pretty damn good game.

    I think the next person that brings it needs to sell the game in the context of it belonging in the Hall of Greats as opposed to just complimenting the story itself.

    Per Skyrim, that game will never get in. I would take Oblivion over Skyrim personally, but I just don't think any single of the Allies will sell Skyrim as The open world RPG to get in, especially now that The Witcher III is in.



  • @dipset said in Hall of Greats Compendium:

    @happygaming

    Yeah and like the Allies too, I almost feel bad for criticizing a game that I genuinely like such as Silent Hill 2, but in terms of being objective about the "electability" of the game, I think we laid down a case why it's a hard sell, despite it being a pretty damn good game.

    I think the next person that brings it needs to sell the game in the context of it belonging in the Hall of Greats as opposed to just complimenting the story itself.

    Per Skyrim, that game will never get in. I would take Oblivion over Skyrim personally, but I just don't think any single of the Allies will sell Skyrim as The open world RPG to get in, especially now that The Witcher III is in.

    I agree that Skyrim is a hard sell but I think it deserves it. Not only is it hard to articulate why Skyrim is a 'great', but unlike Silent Hill 2, it's not universally agreed to be the iterative peak of the series at release. If Skyrim was Oblivion but better, it would be easier to argue, but in many ways it's worse.

    I don't really find the Witcher 3 very comparable to Skyrim. They seem vastly different design ideologies. One is "explore and interact with the world that you find". The other is: "here are stories, play through these stories as you see fit".

    It's this difference that is in part why I think it is a Great. No game lets you do anything quite like Skyrim does.