Not staying Silent (Re: Brandon's "Line Crossing" talk in Podcast#77 L&R)



  • @suplextrain Don't act like you don't know what word he's talking about and if you curse on your own time and love offending people with said words that's on your own time. This is a public forum with rules. You don't say such words in your other posts, why start now.



  • @ib0show said in Not staying Silent (Re: Brandon's "Line Crossing" talk in Podcast#77 L&R):

    Don't act like you don't know what word he's talking about

    I don't. Is it "triggered"? Do you think I'm a mindreader? What's wrong with being clear?

    and if you curse on your own time and love offending people with said words that's on your own time.

    ... what? Are you saying that me typing "God damn" is me being out of line? So I should just vaguely imply what I'm talking about instead?

    You don't say such words in your other posts, why start now.

    Because (I'm assuming you mean "God damn" because you refuse to clarify, correct me if I'm wrong) it's relevant to the discussion? Im discussing it, not using it against someone. Context matters. Or can we not even type the words out when discussing them as adults?

    But hey, if you people want to be babies (no offense) about this then I'll just drop it. Why bother trying to discuss something when there is no interest in doing so. I believe that a lot of people that get get offended by stuff really shouldn't and they should first look inward before they try and tell others how to behave. ANY word can be a trigger for someone. What if I told you that I don't like you using the word "public" because it offends me, should I demand that you should stop using that word and you should comply? Normal words can be triggers as well, like "rape", because said person could've been raped.
    In this instance I don't think GOd or Jesus would be upset. They wouldn't send you to hell for it and I think they're above getting offended by something like this. So why should a person believing in God and Jesus be? These people are not even intentionally saying it to slander God or to belittle his beliefs. Instead he finds that he gets upset by this and instead of asking himself if he really should be upset by it he thinks others should bend to his wishes so that he doesn't get upset.
    But whatever, you people didn't show an interest in discussing this so I'm just wasting my time. But just to be clear, is it "allowed" to say "damn" on this board? Or is that too much? So saying "damn satan" would be fine and it wouldn't upset any satan worshippers? Or are we allowed to offend certain beliefs but not others? Just to be clear, for future reference.



  • If someone stubs their toe and says "God Damn" do they disrespect someone's personal beliefs and religion? Really? Do you truly believe this? Please don't just say "Yeah I do" just to try and salvage your own argument.

    If a group of friends and I are hanging out and one guy asks everyone present if he does anything that bugs them, and the OP replies that the other guy takes the lord's name in vain a lot and their personal beliefs are very strong on that issue - and I then mock them, ridiculing their hurt or trying to minimize their opinion because I don't believe in god, when they weren't even addressing me or asking me to do anything - then I'm being disrespectful to that person and being a bully, yes.

    That is the actual situation here. Nobody is stubbing their toe. We don't need hypothetical analogies or slippery slopes because nothing is being asked or demanded.

    But hey, if you people want to be babies (no offense) about this then I'll just drop it.

    Exhibit A of you being disrespectful. Just because you put (no offense) on it doesn't mean it's not meant as an offense.

    I believe that a lot of people that get get offended by stuff really shouldn't and they should first look inward before they try and tell others how to behave.

    I think you should take your own advice to heart.

    ANY word can be a trigger for someone. What if I told you that I don't like you using the word "public" because it offends me, should I demand that you should stop using that word and you should comply?

    Nobody demanded anything of you. Nobody demanded anything of anyone. Nobody asked for anything to change, nobody is preaching here but you, man.

    Normal words can be triggers as well, like "rape", because said person could've been raped.

    And if one of your friends said, "hey, it kind of bugs me when you make rape jokes, I was raped." and then you mock them and tell them to grow a thicker skin - then you're a jerk.

    In this instance I don't think GOd or Jesus would be upset. They wouldn't send you to hell for it and I think they're above getting offended by something like this. So why should a person believing in God and Jesus be?

    Because not everyone believes what you believe. I'd get used to it.

    These people are not even intentionally saying it to slander God or to belittle his beliefs. Instead he finds that he >gets upset by this and instead of asking himself if he really should be upset by it he thinks others should bend to his wishes so that he doesn't get upset.

    No, that didn't happen.



  • @ib0show I would like to add that it is not clear to me at all what word you are referring to either, so just as suplextrain said be specific, as I don't see either how "God-Damn" is offensive language.

    And on relation to that I would like to add that it is silly to me if we start saying we can't use certain words because it might offend someone sensibilities, there's clear offensive language and then there's personal taste, this is a forum for people from all over the place and with different beliefs, if someone is offended by someone else's way of expressing themselves then that's their own problem (provided there's no ill intent in the message of course).



  • @bard91 Lets not confuse the issue. There is no forum policy being discussed here other than "don't bully people for their beliefs"



  • @TokyoSlim I fail to see the bullying to be perfectly honest, the OP expressed his point of view in relation to the subject, others have stated their own, I don't see any intent in ridiculizing or bullying anyone.



  • @bard91 You don't see how telling someone to grow a thicker skin or stop acting like a baby is bullying them for their beliefs? People are getting personally offended by the OP's post that had nothing to do with them. They are purposefully skewing the OP's words in order to criticize their beliefs.

    Again, I'm not religious and I swear all the time. None of my beliefs on the subject matter in this particular thread because they are not pertinent to whether or not the OP has the right to respond to Jones' direct question to all of us. Of course they do. The OP was also very careful to point out that they are not asking for anything to change due to their beliefs. And yet somehow a couple of people went off on how they don't believe in god and shouldn't have to change because the OP is "triggered". (Triggered, by the way, is the word being requested to not be used. I thought it was perfectly clear) It's a word used to belittle and minimize the feelings of people who have different opinions than you. That's bullying.



  • @TokyoSlim ok acting like a baby is not a good way phrasing it, with that I agree, but I do not believe that it is bullying, growing a thick skin is part of growing and I wouldn't see it as an insult in any way.

    I can't speak for others but I'm not offended by the OPs post, he made a sound argument on his perspective of things, however, given the nature of what he said it is to be expected for it to potentially clash with other's views, in that I do include myself and I have no issue expressing my disagreement with his views, if you, the OP or the mods take that as inappropriate or bullying then you are free to do as you best see fit



  • @bard91 The OP has nothing to do with your views though. I disagree with his views on religion, but that's not what's being discussed.

    What's happening in here are people telling him he doesn't have a right to be upset about something, because they aren't upset about it. That's what "Grow a thicker skin" "acting like babies" and "you're oversensitive" mean. Everyone is upset by something. We all have different emotions and experiences and react to them in different ways. Some people don't like being touched. Some people don't like being talked down to. Telling someone they need to "grow a thicker skin" is a way of saying "don't be upset by things I'm not upset by".



  • @TokyoSlim Wow, bullying really changed, I wish it was that utterly benign when I was in high school, when bullying basically meant to be actively and constantly attacked on a regular basis by real life people I could not really avoid (except by skipping school, which is of course not acceptable) and wishing to be either dead or to be able to "remove" the bullies, not being told to grow a thicker skin by online strangers I could avoid. Kids these days have it way too good, it's kinda disgusting really.



  • @Jigoku-no-Musou bullying hasn't changed at all, there's always been many facets to bullying behavior and mocking the beliefs of others has always been a part of it.



  • @TokyoSlim No, not really.



  • @Jigoku-no-Musou Then you don't understand the point of bullying. Bullying is something people do to elevate themselves over others. You can do that physically, by picking on those weaker than you. You can also do it by mocking someone different or "other" than the status quo or mainstream. Sometimes it's both, not always.

    online strangers I could avoid

    The object of EZA is not to make people "avoid" us, because of our online behavior, by the way.



  • @TokyoSlim Political Correctness is the mainstream.
    While of course you can technically bully someone online, 1st off it's not even half as bad as actual real life bullying as there are plenty of measures to get rid of online bullies, and 2nd it simply didn't happen in this thread. And saying it did is really downplaying the concept of bullying as a whole.



  • @Jigoku-no-Musou People literally kill themselves over online bullying. "Whataboutism" is a completely useless argument here



  • @Jigoku-no-Musou I think we are talking about the RESPECT part of love and respect, not Political Correctness. Political Correctness is a generally meaningless catchphrase, anyways.

    I respect that the OP feels a certain way. That's his right as a human being, as it's also yours and mine. Just because most of us (at least in this thread and maybe on this forum and in the community in general) happen to be non-religious doesn't mean that we have to tell someone who replies to a specific question about their feelings on a specific matter how thin their skin is or how oversensitive and baby-like they are. If you told me what upsets you, I could turn around and use that against you as well. My point is that we SHOULDN'T. We should, as part of this community, at the behest of the creators of this forum and the content we enjoy - all be trying to respect each other and be more inclusive.



  • @TheHashtag0nist I'ma be brutally honest here, if you are mentally that fragile, and don't seek professional help, I can not feel sorry for you, and I say that as someone who used to have suicidal thoughts in the past and still have them from time to time.



  • @TokyoSlim Of course he has the right to feel whatever, but I don't think he has the right to tell others to adjust their own behaviour, especially people he doesn't has to interact with at all but does so voluntarily.



  • @Jigoku-no-Musou

    I don't think he has the right to tell others to adjust their own behaviour,

    Which the OP specifically went out of their way to make sure they didn't do. So I'm not sure why people keep bringing it up.



  • @TokyoSlim Tbh, kinda irrelevant, even though OP didn't had the intention, others will pick this up and insert their own intentions, it always happens.
    I like how TheHashtag0nist said "Good post, speaking up like this is for the benefit of everyone."
    "Everyone", that would include me and also Suplextrain, but in what way, shape or form does it benefit me? It doesn't. It only benefits him and people who think like him.
    And I as well was at 1st confused what word Suplextrain isn't supposed to use anymore, at least OP used censored versions of the terms he has problems with, which are technically things that could get beeped out in TV. But triggered? Like, for real, you couldn't just say "Plase don't use the word Triggered"? The people who established that term are not the trolls this time, it's the people who unironically use it, who put Trigger Warnings everyhwere, who complain when others don't. It's absolutely understandable why it became a term mostly used to make fun of those people, because the concept is utterly ridiculous, I have no sympathies for it.