Weeb Games (Japanese Games Appreciation Thread)

  • Even Japanese releases are getting censored now.

    There's other examples on that guy's twitter but they're pretty NSFW and I'm not kicking that hornet's nest, just fair warning on what you're gonna see.

    I know it's easy to write it off as "but it's some eroge VN why are you surprised" but for one thing the Switch version isn't getting hit like this and for another, going off their tweets there's a Vita version that came out last year that's also not hit like this which just lends credence to this being a new direction Sony's picked up on lately.

    I've got no dog in this fight, not my kinda game in the slightest, but I'm not a fan of this trend in general. It reminds me of how trigger happy Nintendo was with removing anything they deemed offensive back in the NES days and honestly I thought this industry matured past that mindset by now.

    (Posting this here instead of the news topic since I know very few people are gonna care besides me and it's probably more fitting in here anyway.)

  • I am personally of the mindset that this kind of shit is completely inconsequential and more just a business strategy as they are currently the dominant force in the videogame industry by a large margin.
    I hear a lot of people argue that this is "censorship" or an "attack on free speech", but that is really a pretty bullshit argument. Sony is a company with obligations to its shareholders and as such has rules and regulations that they must follow to appease those shareholders. If you want to release your product on their console, you must abide by those rules. If you don't, as has been pointed out, there are other versions of the game on other consoles that feature the content.
    My point of contention stems from when a consumer will outright say "welp, guess I'm not buying this game" because of censorship. If some beams of light covering an anime grills bubbies is all it takes to dissuade you from buying a game, I would argue that the game isn't very good in the first place.

  • Most people will counter that point with it's the principle that drives them to boycott.

  • It's pretty much all about principle. Besides, sometimes certain rules and regulations are rediculous and I'm sure plenty of people wish not to reinforce any kind of acceptance of them..

  • I think the problem with saying it's the principle is that it's hard to convince others that the principle is worth denying purchase of a game due to a minor alteration or being so better toward a company for the change.

  • I can't say I have much desire to convince others, I also see most people speaking only for themselves. I don't look at each individual case on its own though, there's always a bigger picture at play, that's what might make it convincing. Identifying each minor case helps build that picture.

  • @el-shmiablo said in Weeb Games (Japanese Games Appreciation Thread):

    My point of contention stems from when a consumer will outright say "welp, guess I'm not buying this game" because of censorship. If some beams of light covering an anime grills bubbies is all it takes to dissuade you from buying a game, I would argue that the game isn't very good in the first place.

    In this particular case the game in question is an Eroge VN so the "anime grills bubbies" is quite literally the selling point. It's already having content changed or cut for the sake of not putting a literal porn game on consoles (this is nothing new, all-ages versions of these kinds of things have been on consoles for decades now) but if you're going to cover everything up in beams of light then why even bother putting it out? I know you said that if a game is ruined by removing that content then it wasn't a good game to begin with but there's clearly an audience for it and frankly, I think the pervs should be allowed to enjoy their pervy game if it isn't breaking any CERO/PEGI/ESRB guidelines and it's the same thing Sony allowed on the Vita just a year ago anyway.

    My problem isn't with the game itself but the trend that Sony's showing lately. I was already weary of getting the Catherine port/remaster/whatever because I know there's no way they're getting Laura Bailey and Troy Baker back for VA on it but now I'm mostly curious about what's going to be changed in its western release at this point. The puzzles will still be there, but I'm starting to think it's likely that some of the raunchier content in the game's story will be changed or removed to get past Sony's apparent new guidelines and that'll have an adverse affect on the game as a whole. I also wonder what all will end up getting changed or cut when Senran Kagura 7EVEN finally comes out. Even for someone like me that just enjoys a mindless beat em up and isn't in it for the fanservice, I can't help but dislike how they're removing content that is clearly a selling point for a lot of people. These are niche games that live and die by that fanbase that does care about the removed features or modes. I honestly worry for XSeed after what happened to ReNewal and especially for PQube and Omega Labyrinth Z since they outright canned that release when it was already almost complete, probably putting them in a really bad place financially.

  • @hanabi is there a particular reason why you think they won't get Laura Bailey and Troy Baker for Catherine? afaik there's been nothing said related to this

  • @bard91 mostly that they've just gotten too big for games like this anymore, I mean for example Troy didn't come back for Persona 4 Golden or any of the spinoffs and Laura was gone for Dancing All Night.

  • @sheria
    Can't really say I agree with the bigger picture idea. It really just seems limited to some small, barely significant tweaks to some games. It's hard to see any grand ambition or idea underneath.

  • Something just went down at XSeed.

    Wonder if it has to do with Marvelous focusing more on their EU branch, if this has anything to do with the changes to ReNewal either affecting the company financially already or just affecting certain well known members of the company morally (Tom in particular has always been outspoken about hating changes like that) or if there's something else going on entirely.

  • Aw man please don't let that affect Cold Steel 3 and 4, everything else can go to hell for all I care but not those 2

  • @hanabi
    Actually Troy and Laura came back for the first release of P4A, but everything after had replacements I think.

  • Seems like Sony is trying to force western mindsets on Japanese audiences, which sounds like a good way to alienate a large market to me. I feel like this is gonna have a negative effect on them going into the next gen. If not financially then at least from a PR perspective.

    Edit: Link to English article about it: https://nichegamer.com/2018/10/27/new-sony-censorship-policy-is-forcing-even-japanese-developers-to-censor-themselves-in-japan/

  • @hanabi
    I imagine that if it doesn't change we will see the smaller Japanese devs like Marvelous, Compile Heart, ect moving to Nintendo.
    Btw, apparently jiggle physics have been taken out of all versions of Warriors Orchi 4, except the Switch version.

  • @hanabi What the hell is going on with Sony? Did their balls drop off? The Senran Kagura situation is one thing, but this is getting ridiculous. They're becoming less like they were in the mid 90s-2000s, and acting 80s/90s Nintendo. I am all for being inclusive, but when you take out content to please most people who are not going to play the game to begin with, you have a problem. I wonder if this is their overreaction to the "Me Too" movement. Kinda like how most light gun games didn't come with a gun for a while due to Columbine.

  • At the risk of opening Pandora's box...

    If I'm interested in trying out some games from Nihon falcom for my Vita, where should I start? Interested in The Legend of Heroes series, but worried it'll be too anime for me to really get into. I thought that about Persona, though, and I ended up really like P4G, so I'm happy to be wrong when possible.