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  • Is anybody else beyond done with baseball's unwritten rules?



  • @e_zed_eh_intern

    Loooooong but easy two pronged answer.

    I'm from Hamilton and moved to Toronto for my career. Hamilton and Toronto are sort of soft rival cities despite being nothing alike. Our only professional sports team is the Hamilton Tiger Cats in the CFL and our insane working class fan base of drunk steel workers over the years will get in full blown flights with Toronto Argonauts fans at the old Ivor Wynne Stadium. Among other insane things I've seen at TiCats games over the years was a drunk Hamiltonian taking a full blown piss on the Toronto fan next to him.

    I went to the final game of our Ivor Wynne Stadium because I used to film high school and university sports for the local TV station. I stuck around after our shoot day to watch the final home game. Fans in the box seats were leaving garbage everywhere, while the fans in the stands ended up ripping out benches, seats, retirement plaque's and anything else they could physically steal as the stadium was to be demolished.

    Good times, but the new culture at the stadium doesn't have that good Hamilton grit like it used to. For example, there was a massive smoking section which had pretty much every body shoulder to shoulder in this massive lot just hacking darts. Still glimmers of those old days though. I saw one fan at a soccer match during the PanAm Games, smoking a cigarette with her kids in a little alcove. I knew the Hamilton spirit will live on somewhat in the new stadium...

    Maple Leafs are a complete JOKE of a franchise. I can't stand the Leafs. They are a poorly managed franchise with idiotic fans who overpay for tickets to a consistently losing team (about half a century).

    The prices MLSE charges for tickets is insane, making hockey, a staple of Canadian culture, completely unaffordable for working class fans in Ontario. Maple Leafs are a franchise for the rich and there isn't any other way around it. Corporations buy all of the tickets and give them out free to woo clients. Leafs have been "sold out" every game for decades, yet, the stands have plenty of gaps if not mostly unattended throughout the years. Then the corporations buying all of the tickets jacks up the prices for the average joe who wants to see a hockey game in their home town.

    It was cheaper for my entire family of 4 to drive to Detroit, get 4 first bowl tickets, and stay in a hotel for 2 nights, than it was to just get 4 tickets to a Leafs game in 2010. That is ridiculous.

    /2.5

    The MLSE have no incentive to make a winning franchise because morons keep buying overpriced tickets to watch them lose. Their old majority shareholder was the Ontario Teachers Pension who just cared about making money and didn't care about the Leafs actually winning.

    FYI, Ontario Teachers Pension sold their shares in MLSE and bought either a majority or massive minority share in Ubisoft, who again, are a horribly run corporation with massive corruption, abuse, etc. Same idea, they only care about money.

    I used to also loathe the Raptors for the same reasons - they were AWFUL but the tickets were priced insanely. They had no incentive to try because people still bought tickets. At least the Raptors for the majority of a decade hired the right staff to turn the franchise around and start a "winning culture" with management who knows what they are doing. The Leafs are starting to get there, but they still seem to be run by complete idiots and I'm not convinced they will make it unless they rebuild the management and staff again.

    EDIT:

    Also, fun fact, but other than my ONE friend who grew up here, I don't know any Leafs fans. Everybody in Toronto likes the Raptors. I barely even know anybody from university, work, general life who even gives a shit about hockey in general. For example, my girlfriends family comes from the Philippines none of them really caee for hockey. Her little siblings in grade school and high school don't even have a hockey team, nobody plays, watches or cares about hockey, but everybody loves and plays basketball. Their schools are mostly filled with Asian kids from Asian families who outright don't participate in sports outside of volleyball and basketball.

    I assume the Leafs fanbase are Ontarian's from other cities or white rich people who can afford a house in the city and don't interact in my circle.



  • @e_zed_eh_intern said in Sports?:

    Is anybody else beyond done with baseball's unwritten rules?

    I understand them on some level but hitting a grand slam in a 7 run game isn't one of them. There's a time to take your foot off the gas, that isn't it.

    @hanabi said in Sports?:

    I got really angry about the reffing in game 2 but honestly I think I'm far, far more upset about that complete and utter collapse in the third period on game 4. They can't blame that on anybody but themselves.

    Super deflating, especially when it was 2-2 and after a timeout Staal got rocked and nobody seemed to care. There's still a chance they can win three straight, just sucks that is what its going to take after looking so strong against the Rangers. Sports are pain and I hate Boston.



  • @dipset 1. I'm not so sure that that's not a Hamilton thing and more a CFL thing. The majority of Lions fans are also a ragtag bunch. Although, their practice facility is in the roughest part of Surrey and I feel like that's where most of their fans hail from too. I've yet to see one do the R. Kelly to an opposing fan though.

    1. Canucks are not at all innocent of these sins and I hear all the same complaints from people here too. I would say, though, that people in all parts of the metro city area are fans of the Canucks. Not every single person but the fan base isn't so heavily concentrated as the Lions' seems to be.

    Funny note on that Detroit trip, they were coming off back-to-back cup finals. The Leafs had Kessel and Grabo.



  • @e_zed_eh_intern

    From what I understand, every Canadian team exploits the corporations buying up tickets forcing fans to spend $290 on a single ticket in the nose bleeds. I just think that business practice coupled with the awful management of the Leafs makes them impossible to cheer for.

    My dad was a Nordiques fan so when I was born I was by default a Quebec then later Colorado fan. LOTS of people I know growing up were Avalanche fans too considering so many top players in the 2000s were Canadian or on Team Canada. It always sucked convincing my mom to let me stay up to watch the games. It was a losing battle, but in high school I'd stay up and watch.

    I kinda dig the new playoff format with matinees cause I can play it on the side while I work.



  • @dipset Must have been weird to go from hating Roy to watching him backstop your team to a cup. Yeah, that early Avs team was insane. Also crazy they could have had Sundin and that Sundin was once traded for Wendell Clark.



  • @e_zed_eh_intern

    I mean, I was a baby. My extend of Nordiques fandom was little baby jerseys I had.



  • @e_zed_eh_intern I'm not a baseball fan but I think I've gotten the gist of what this is about and if I'm right then I can safely say giving a player hell for having the audacity to try and do their job is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.



  • @dipset said in Sports?:

    The MLSE have no incentive to make a winning franchise because morons keep buying overpriced tickets to watch them lose. Their old majority shareholder was the Ontario Teachers Pension who just cared about making money and didn't care about the Leafs actually winning.

    FYI, Ontario Teachers Pension sold their shares in MLSE and bought either a majority or massive minority share in Ubisoft, who again, are a horribly run corporation with massive corruption, abuse, etc. Same idea, they only care about money.

    As of the end of 2019, the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan had $159 billion USD in assets. For comparison, that's between the GDP of Hungary and Ukraine.

    Note that this is a provincial pension plan, just for teachers.



  • @oscillator

    Oh I thought it was the teachers, no? The same teachers that invested in MLSE, tobacco, etc?

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    According to Wikipedia, they now invest in the Yankee's among other things. Crazy how much capital is out there to just invest in random shit.


    On topic of current events, pretty wild night in the NBA. I think the LA Lakers have ring rust but Portland looked really good. I still have a feeling game 2 might end in LA Lakers beating Portland by 9-12 points.

    Haven't checked the highlights for Orlando vs Milwaukee but it looks like some of the Bucks momentum has been pushed back in the bubble. Pending how Boston Celtics continue to play with injuries, I think the Eastern Conference is going to either Boston or Toronto.



  • @dipset said in Sports?:

    @oscillator

    Oh I thought it was the teachers, no? The same teachers that invested in MLSE, tobacco, etc?

    ...yes? Not the teachers themselves, their pension plan.

    You had the facts right the first time. I was just pointing out how INSANELY loaded this provincial, single-occupation pension plan is.



  • @oscillator

    Sorry, I just misunderstood you/


    Big big day yesterday. I couldn't watch everything but I caught a few games. I felt like the sober guy at the party cause I didn't place any bets for the first time in a while.

    NHL

    • My Avalanche scored another Touchdown and won the series.

    • Vancouver took the series 3-2 against St Louis in a super competitive game last night. Both teams looked significantly better than the other at points of that game.

    NBA

    • Brooklyn had a more competitive game, but Toronto cleaned up in the 4th quarter and I don't expect Brooklyn to win a game this series.

    • DONCIC! Dallas got it done yesterday against Los Angeles Clippers. It wasn't perfect and I'm worried they'll fail to protect the net against individual efforts the Clippers have in their wheelhouse, but if they can keep their leads protected, then we have a real series here.

    • An injured Boston proved to be the much better team against Philadelphia. I think the 76ers are done.



  • Bayern München, people! Neuer's the GOAT.



  • Indy 500 spoiler:

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    ! After dueling with Scott Dixon for about a dozen laps, Takuma Sato won for the second time when Spencer Pigot had a massive crash into the pit lane divider with 4 laps to go, ending it under caution.



  • Avalanche are disappointing me. Sometimes the look great and other times they’re sloppy.

    Dallas is looking great and they’ve got the Avs figured out to a degree, but their play isn’t perfect either. Dallas has been very beatable every game so far so it’s painful to see Avs down 3-1 going into an elimination game tomorrow.



  • @dipset I haven't watched any of the games but am blown away that Dallas seems to be running away with the series considering how stacked Colorado is. That's playoff hockey I suppose. Crazy Dallas is doing this well only a year out from the owner calling Seguin and Benn shit.



  • @e_zed_eh_intern

    Benn is essentially the player of the series so far. I definitely think Colorado have potential to stay alive, but it's hard to come back 3 games straight, especially with an injured starting goalie and struggling backup.

    Dallas looks good and they're winning by playing bigger than Colorado. Lock down defence protecting the net. Thing is, when Colorado starts getting hot, Dallas looks pretty much helpless. I wish they warmed up faster. They could've won this game if the goal tending wasn't weak in the 1st.

    If they Avs can't win with this squad then I don't know how much more they can do other than get a few grinders and stronger 2nd or 3rd string goaltending.



  • Between one of the most stressful work weeks of my life and Colorado having back to back elimination games, I think I’m gonna go grey before 26.



  • @dipset they had a really good run. Would have been good to see them go through. Sorry for your loss.

    Now onto the Canucks!



  • @e_zed_eh_intern well shit