God of War (PS4)



  • @ezekiel said in God of War (PS4):

    Games like this ARE ruining AAA gaming.

    Dude... come on. That's like saying COD4 ruined multiplayer because everything since then got more casual with XP progression for everything. Sure, things changed but it doesn't mean we have a shortage of great multiplayer games.

    Also, quite literally everybody except you said God of War needed to change and or die off entirely. If you watched the doc, that criticism loomed over the entire development. Every player, every journalist, every review of Ascension all said Kratos needs to go away. This series is too much for the current landscape. The market dictated where God of War 2018 went meaning we as consumers pushed it here, and the millions of people who enjoy it is proof that it went the right way.

    If God of War was in the right place, we would have had more after Ascension but we didn't.



  • @el-shmiablo said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel What am I missing or omitting?
    The brunt of your argument is that it is a bad game because elements of the game have matured past their roots. Instead of an angry edgelord Kratos we get a mature and tempered Kratos. Instead button mashing character action-lite combat we keep deeper, much more skill based combat. Instead of the same old, played out stuff we got a much needed invigoration to the series.

    I'm not insulting you, just saying your reasons for shitting on the game are dumb, which they are. We could go over this all again but I'm pretty sure I thoroughly dismantled your points a regarding GoW in another thread, so I'm good on that front.

    But then again, what do I know? I liked God of War (2018) so my opinion on all things is invalid. I don't even know how controllers work because I liked that game.

    I remember telling you that you didn't dismantle anything, because you didn't dismantle anything. I'm not going to argue again with someone who continually insults me.



  • @dipset said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel said in God of War (PS4):

    Games like this ARE ruining AAA gaming.

    Dude... come on. That's like saying COD4 ruined multiplayer because everything since then got more casual with XP progression for everything. Sure, things changed but it doesn't mean we have a shortage of great multiplayer games.

    Also, quite literally everybody except you said God of War needed to change and or die off entirely. If you watched the doc, that criticism loomed over the entire development. Every player, every journalist, every review of Ascension all said Kratos needs to go away. This series is too much for the current landscape. The market dictated where God of War 2018 went meaning we as consumers pushed it here, and the millions of people who enjoy it is proof that it went the right way.

    If God of War was in the right place, we would have had more after Ascension but we didn't.

    I didn't want another game about Kratos. But changing the character into someone he is not made it even worse. What I would have done to change it up is place you in the shoes of a new protagonist with his or her own weapons in a different pantheon, but keep the pornographic violence and spectacular setpieces, because that was already heavily ingrained in the series and it isn't God of War without it. (Probably keep the nudity too. But I know Sony is the politically correct censorship police now.) I would have given the player a wide, free camera. This one is more trouble than it's worth. More than a few times, the system auto-targeted the wrong enemies for me. It feels really clumsy having to turn your entire character in order to see your surroundings with the poor field of view. Makes sense in a shooter. Rubbish for melee combat. I don't mind it in Chivalry and other such PC games because I can turn much faster and more accurately with a mouse and still have access to more buttons. My camera also would have allowed for jumping, which is kind of a big deal in such fantastic environments and would add to the combat. I definitely would have removed most of the talking, because it meant axing almost all the music, which made the game more depressing/boring. The story is nothing special. There have been plenty of great video game stories with little to no dialogue.



  • @ezekiel Unfortunately, just because you say something doesn't make it true. I addressed literally every argument you had against the game, point by point, and you essentially ignored all of it.

    Whether you would have chosen a new protagonist is neither here nor there, because that isn't what happened, and arguing hypotheticals when we're simply asking you to elaborate on your points is, well, pointless.
    But I'll entertain you. The Kratos in this game is very much the same Kratos from previous games. He has simply experienced what some might refer to as "growth". Having killed literally everyone he could have possibly had to kill to achieve his revenge, he moved on with his life, started a new family, and attempted to atone for his past sins. He did not want to be that person anymore, much like I stopped doing illicit activities I took part of in my youth, because I grew up and matured as a person. People can change and are not bound to the deeds of their past. I'm sorry that this point went completely over your head when you played the game.

    Violence and set pieces are most certainly powerful elements in the God of War games, on this we can agree. Thankfully God of War 2018 had both of those in spades. Ripping enemies clear in half, impaling monster's skulls with their own horns, snapping people's necks fully backwards, etc. That you claim there weren't any set pieces (or at least impressive ones) makes me wonder if you even played the game at all. Sure they weren't thrown in your face constantly like in previous games, but that was because the game was paced much more evenly. The slow, quiet moments helped to punctuate the huge, incredible moments that happened in the game.
    Yes, we get it, you for some reason think that nudity and sex is part of God of War. As I said last time we had this conversation, sex and nudity were much more prevelant in Grecian culture as it was a much more advanced and opulent culture than Norse culture. There is also the massive disparity in climates between the two cultures, where Grecian society was more structured while Norse was nomadic, so dressing appropriately is sort of required when you live in a climate that is with lower tempuratures. Grecians could afford to wear less because their climate was more temperate and they travelled less. Robes or outright nudity is hunky dorey when the climate is borderline tropical.

    Camera complaint is subjective. I had absolutely no problem with the camera at any point in the game, but then again I also didn't have a problem with the touch pad when I played Gravity Rush 2, so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about.
    The game's various systems, from visible screen cues to Atreus' dialog, keep the player aware of what is going on around them. If you had trouble deal with enemies from off-screen I'm not sure what to tell you other than "git gud" as the game, by design, will not even allow enemies outside of your cone of vision to attack you without first giving you a visual or audio cue beforehand.

    Jumping is also a moot point. The game as it was was designed without jumping. Adding it to the game just because would have achieved nothing.

    Your complaint about the music also reinforces my notion that you didn't play the game, or at least didn't get very far in it. Last time we talked you said the game didn't featuring recurring musical themes like previous games which is patently false, as I showed you a video with the musical director talking about the various leitmotifs throughout the game.

    If you don't like the game, that is fine, but you should at least be able to articulate what it is that you don't like about the game before you go on these tirades you are becoming increasingly known for. Like you are getting to Blackcell levels of hilarity with some of your reasons.

    What you want isn't what God of War is anymore, and, at least according to the vast majority of people who actually played the game, not what the series needs. There are still plenty of games that fulfill your desires, and I would even agree that, at least in terms of what you want from a game, Japan numbah 1, but in no way is God of War what is "killing gaming" and to imply that it is is straight up silly and misinformed.



  • @el-shmiablo said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel Unfortunately, just because you say something doesn't make it true. I addressed literally every argument you had against the game, point by point, and you essentially ignored all of it.

    If you say so. This time, I'm not even giving you the satisfaction of reading it.



  • @ezekiel Glad to see nothing has changed in that regard, and thank you for proving my point.



  • @ezekiel Yes, I manned up. I don't know what you lolin' about. If there is something I hugely dislike, I won't constantly bring it up on a forum where people enjoy the thing. Nor acting as a spoiled brat for a toy he can't have. I have nothing else to say, but if you want to be miserable, do it somewhere else, cuz you ain't winning any sympathy from people on this topic.



  • @brawlman said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel Yes, I manned up. I don't know what you lolin' about. If there is something I hugely dislike, I won't constantly bring it up on a forum where people enjoy the thing. Nor acting as a spoiled brat for a toy he can't have. I have nothing else to say, but if you want to be miserable, do it somewhere else, cuz you ain't winning any sympathy from people on this topic.

    I'm lol'ing because you implied admitting the game is good means manning up. I don't know about you, but I find criticism fun, when something is actually deserving of it. It can be constructive and there are careers built on it. I also find it therapeutic in a way, when it's for something I used to like. No, I'm not gonna shut up just because my opinion doesn't jive with the majority. I don't tell you to shut up for gushing over this. I hate echochamber forums.



  • @ezekiel said in God of War (PS4):

    @brawlman said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel Yes, I manned up. I don't know what you lolin' about. If there is something I hugely dislike, I won't constantly bring it up on a forum where people enjoy the thing. Nor acting as a spoiled brat for a toy he can't have. I have nothing else to say, but if you want to be miserable, do it somewhere else, cuz you ain't winning any sympathy from people on this topic.

    I'm lol'ing because you implied admitting the game is good means manning up. I don't know about you, but I find criticism fun, when something is actually deserving of it. It can be constructive and there are careers built on it. I also find it therapeutic in a way, when it's for something I used to like. No, I'm not gonna shut up just because my opinion doesn't jive with the majority. I don't tell you to shut up for gushing over this. I hate echochamber forums.

    You might want to take a second look at original response to you. The manning up part was me giving the game a chance, not anything about me implying and admitting the game is good. Criticism can be fun, but don't be a jerk about it. I can tell from your responses that you are not even close to having fun right now.

    I say this with sincerity, have a blessed day and be good to others and yourself.



  • @brawlman said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel said in God of War (PS4):

    @brawlman said in God of War (PS4):

    @ezekiel Yes, I manned up. I don't know what you lolin' about. If there is something I hugely dislike, I won't constantly bring it up on a forum where people enjoy the thing. Nor acting as a spoiled brat for a toy he can't have. I have nothing else to say, but if you want to be miserable, do it somewhere else, cuz you ain't winning any sympathy from people on this topic.

    I'm lol'ing because you implied admitting the game is good means manning up. I don't know about you, but I find criticism fun, when something is actually deserving of it. It can be constructive and there are careers built on it. I also find it therapeutic in a way, when it's for something I used to like. No, I'm not gonna shut up just because my opinion doesn't jive with the majority. I don't tell you to shut up for gushing over this. I hate echochamber forums.

    You might want to take a second look at original response to you. The manning up part was me giving the game a chance, not anything about me implying and admitting the game is good. Criticism can be fun, but don't be a jerk about it. I can tell from your responses that you are not even close to having fun right now.

    Yeah, giving the game a chance. I didn't re-read the post. Manning up is just a weird choice of words. Like I said, I gave the game a chance. It's lame.

    I say this with sincerity, have a blessed day and be good to others and yourself.

    This is also weird. I haven't disrespected anyone.



  • Been playing New Game+. Man do you get some fancy gear and new resources to upgrade. Hopefully, for the sequel they will remember to put NG+ in the game to begin with, instead as a downloadable update.



  • @brawlman it wasn't about remembering, more on the lines with not as important as the game itself. They focused on bugs etc.



  • @iboshow I am aware of the bugs they were fixing (which I do apperciate) and this something new for them, but this a feature that has been in every action game like GoW or DMC. Hell, NG+ plus has been around since the snes/genesis days, and grew more popular during the 5th and 6th generations of console. I just saying that they don't do the same thing again for PS5. They had a long development cycle, so you would think NG+ would be a thing at launch. Games like Nier: Automata and DMC5 (also had a long development cycle) have them without needing an update. I will call out Santa Monica if they do the same thing again for the next game.