YOUR Desire Index
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Before I can collect and calculate the next update, a couple of things:
1.) To all those who've updated, thank you! I was going to wait until Saturday as the podcast is not available to everyone yet, but with 10 others (excluding myself) already updating their desires, I'll have to renege on that and find some time today to work on it.
2.) To @bard91 specifically: I WAS going to do that once the podcast went live for all. For example, Post the five games, remind others to update, update my list, then wait throughout the day to adjust accordingly. But as I just said, since so many have already taken it upon themselves to update, I'll have to start when I can.
Regardless, it'll be a few hours (I think) before the next update goes live, as I'm in the middle of dealing with other things that are taking my attention (I'm currently in the middle of a break.). Hopefully I'll have version 3.0 ready soon!
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At work right now but will update later. Blops IIII might dethrone Halo as the game I couldn't possibly give less of a fuck about.
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@Brannox If it's alright with you, I've made a Google Sheets file that could remove a lot of the hassle for you - and allow the wider forum to more easily see where games stand. I'm still tinkering around with it, however it is currently operational. It can allow for the thread itself to be more based around discussion, and less as a cluttered submission page.
It's pretty simple - while there are multiple sheets doing calculations, there is only one sheet that Allies can personally edit. The 'User Desire Index' Sheet is currently fitted to hold 100 Allies personal indexes (10 wide, 10 down). All you have to do to submit an index is, find an empty green cell, place your username in it, and then fill it out how you see fit. For it to work, all lists must use the same spelling for the games, so there is an 'Official Game List' Sheet that provides that information.
If you're reading this, its likely you have already submitted an index and will find you already have a slot. Just quickly press (Ctrl+F) and enter your username to locate your spot in the sheet.
If you have any questions, concerns, or ideas on what else you'd like to see from the data - let me know.
@miserableperson Please allow me to respond in order:
1.) This is great! Thank you for taking the initiative and creating this document!
2.) I like the idea of others wanting to know other specific user's desires and lists, but I'm not quite sure many care (though I would love to be proven wrong!).
3.) I absolutely agree about the thread having discussions, but it doesn't appear many, if anyone at all, is wanting to do so. This isn't to say people can't start discussing entries. In fact, I would love to see it! But again, it appears people drop in, update their lists, then bounce.
4.) While simple for you, it's a tad too much for me to understand without seeing it in action. And I absolutely don't mind the work that goes into calculating. There's a certain..... satisfaction in making sure each entry from each person's list is double checked to be in the correct spot.
5.) The games currently listed in the order that they are, are they your specific rankings? If so, I'll add that to the calculation list I have (or if it's different, update your post with your desires so I can factor those in!).
6.) Again, I appreciate the trouble you've gone through in order to provide a comprehensive spot for others to use and peruse at their leisure. I invite any and all to add to it if they feel so inclined!
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@brannox No worries, just felt the constant upkeep might be a bother to you. If you don't mind updating it, and people are fine just updating their posts; then this can obviously keep on rolling as is. (My post, #60, has been updated)
I've just been polishing up on some excel skills, and this felt like a prime data set to work with. While the calculations are relatively complex, its designed around making it as easy as possible for someone to enter their Index - and rearrange it as they please.
All in all, its a cool thing to keep track of.
@brannox I'd love to have conversations about picks and such, we just need a topic to get the ball rolling.
We’ve come to Update 3.0 of the Master Desire Index and while tabulating entries, I noticed a LOT of lists are all over the place with some having 17 entries (which is fine and I hope they’ll be updated in the coming days) and 10 entries. To those of you who have 10, PLEASE update to the full 22 entries!
REMINDER: ALL lists who do NOT have the full complement (which at this time is 22 games) are NOT factored in to the Master Index. This is to prevent skewed outcomes against newer entries. If you want to have your desires a part of the Master Index (And I REALLY want them to) PLEASE update if you do NOT have the full list!!!
Anyway, onto some observations:
Red Dead Redemption 2 is ahead of Resident Evil 2 Remake, who is ahead of Spiderman, who is ahead of Ghost of Tsushima all by an equal amount: 0.2.
Kingdom Hearts III, Smash, Sekiro and Control are all within a point. Smash and Sekiro are tied, but Smash takes placement because it has a second highest desire to its credit.
The Last of Us Part II (The biggest loser in this update, freefalling out of the top 10) trails DMC 5 by half a point, but is ahead of Dragon Quest XI by 0.2.
The difference between Halo: Infinite and Fallout 76 and Fallout and Skull & Bones is an equal 0.2.
Anthem, Sonic Team Racing, and Pokemon Let’s Go are all within a point of each other.
Call of Duty: Black Ops IV is so far in last, I’m overconfident in saying we can lock that in at the bottom, permanently. Now watch a couple of people have it as their highest desired. X-D
@smoothrunes If you want to, start leaving your thoughts! Any particular ranking surprising you? Is there a game you feel your fellow Allies are under appreciating? Over hyping? Just want to talk about a game specifically? (For the last one, there are many threads dedicated to single games. Just use the search function in the top right to find them! And if there isn't one, create one of your own!).
I guess I'll comment on my surprise that Cyberpunk is managing to maintain such a strong lead, given 2 key factors: 1) we, the general public, have not seen the hour long demo shown at E3 that has everybody chomping at the bit and 2) with the exception of Elder Scrolls 6, this is probably the furthest away and I feel that should factor more strongly with other people, but I digress. That's what is really keeping me at one foot off the platform on this Cyberpunk hype train behemoth.
Onto a different topic, are they any games yet to be added that people collectively feel will pierce into the top 5? I'm honestly struggling to think of any huge omissions right now that stand a strong chance.
@smoothrunes The Allies discuss several games at the end of the Desire segment they have yet to get to, plus from my personal anticipated list, there are still nine games I want to see on the list.
However, we go along with the podcast until they stop. THEN it opens up to each person's own lists IN ADDITION to all the games we've covered to date.
Personally, I can think of two games that stand a chance of getting in my top 5, but I got a feeling that one of them won't make it into the index given how close it is to release (hint hint: avatar).
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For me, Dreams is probably in my top 10. Maybe top 5. We will see where it lands when it's formally introduced.
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Updated my list
Update 3.1 had some shakeups! Red Dead Redemption 2, Spiderman and Ghost of Tsushima are each separated from each other by 0.1.
Resident Evil 2 Remake fell two spots and behind more than a full point.
Kingdom Hearts III, Smash, Sekiro, and Control still reside within one point of each other, but Smash got ahead of Sekiro, which wound up tied with Control. Sekiro still takes the tiebreaker with a highest desire, so all in all, there isn’t movement in ranking on the surface, but one list could switch up the order pretty good.
The Last of Us Part II and Devil May Cry 5 swap spots, with TLoU Pt. II holding a 0.2 advantage.
Fallout 76 gets ahead of Halo: Infinite and trails Babylon’s Fall by a half point. Halo on the other hand is only just ahead of Skull & Bones by 0.15.
Likewise, The Elder Scrolls VI and Gears 5 swap positions.
In the final move, Sonic Team Racing gets ahead by a nose, leading Anthem by a whopping 0.05!
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Updated my list! It's good to know I'm not the only one foaming at the mouth for Spider-Man and the perpetual decline of Anthem on the master list has my heart happy. Keep up the good work everyone.
@sabotagethetruth Wow. You uh.... really hate Anthem huh? <=-J
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@brannox Well sir, I'm glad you asked! Wait, you didn't ask, you just made a statement? It's too late now!
Let me give a small Bioware background for myself. One summer (quite awhile ago), I borrowed a friend's original Xbox and played two games - Fable and Knights of the Old Republic. Fable, I gobbled down quickly and it was okay. Knights of the Old Republic, I only got a few hours into it but my impression was, "Woah, this a huge world!... but I'm so bored." Later, the first Mass Effect came out and it shook the core of the earth, so I picked it up. Got a few hours in and my impressions were, "Woah, this is a huge world!... but I'm so bored." Then I felt the same with Dragon Age: Inquisition. Then again with Mass Effect 2. While I know a lot of people hold these games near and dear, I can safely say Bioware doesn't make games for me - even though I love RPGs to death. The writing style, pacing, and characters have just never gelled with me and maybe I need to sink 30 hours into one of their games to "get it", but I'd just rather not at this point.
The thing that has me rallying against Anthem is Bioware seems to be dropping everything they're known for and instead pursuing a game that basically could be sold as Destiny 3 - meaning maybe I'd enjoy it more than their other efforts but it feels so much like a cash grab to me. When others describe how much Mass Effect means to them, they usually mention the characters, the love interests, the deaths, etc... Well all that's gone baby, but look at the sweet loot! A compelling premise? Naaah, but you can fly! Everything we've seen just feels so derivative, so uninspired, and if it truly is taking after the Destiny model, more than likely an endless grind-fest through the same content constantly to acquire marginally better gear.
If that was it, maybe I wouldn't be making a hit campaign against it. Yet, I really urge everyone, look at the publisher behind it - EA. Aside from how they're handling those particular indie titles, it's safe to say they are extremely scummy with their business practices and the older I get, the more I see the value in voting with your wallet. The more we support EA, the more we allow them to find new and intrusive ways to pickpocket every last dime we own.
Maybe it isn't in the spirit of love & respect to hope a game crashes and burns but if Anthem turns out the way I expect, it's going to be one hell of a trainwreck. I'm already preparing my lawn chair and popcorn.
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I absolutely agree about the thread having discussions, but it doesn't appear many, if anyone at all, is wanting to do so. This isn't to say people can't start discussing entries. In fact, I would love to see it! But again, it appears people drop in, update their lists, then bounce.
Main reason I'm avoiding discussion for listed games is cause I think in this environment it'd inevitably fall in one of a couple camps, all meh. Either "wow we all love this game, it is so great!" or "this game doesn't deserve to be at this slot!" [arguing ensues], or even as we've already seen "haha so happy to see this game failing!" General rating doesn't usually lead to great general discussion, just accusing the masses of this and that bias.
Least we're rating anticipation, which is slightly more interesting. I could see listing reasons for why games are in the slots they are for each person being interesting. Not sure if everyone else reevaluates their list each week when they're adding new ones to it or just me, but a couple things on mine had hopped around just based off general moods and having the time between to really think and evaluate on true hype outside "moments of excitement".
Update 3.2 sees more movement, with Spiderman surpassing Red Dead Redemption 2. Both them and Ghost of Tsushima are all within half a point. The former two are separated by 0.3, while the difference between the latter two is 0.2
From Smash to Devil May Cry 5 are all within a point. Smash has a 0.2 lead over Control, who passes The Last of Us Part II by 0.1. Sekiro falls two spots, but trails by 0.2, the same amount they lead DMC 5 by.
Fallout 76 is able to jump in front of Babylon’s fall but are still within less than a point of each other.
Babylon’s Fall, Halo: Infinite, and Skull & Bones are also within a point of each other, with the difference between the former two much closer than the latter two.
With CoD seemingly in permanently last place, it’s getting to the point Pokemon Let’s Go can be all but locked in ahead of it.
@mbun Before I start, I am SO sorry this is going to be as long as it is. There's a point where I point out where you can stop reading (if you haven't given up by then! X-) )
To each their own! Speaking only for myself, I'll be more than happy to answer as to why I have games placed where I do, but I don't expect it. I'm comfortable in knowing I differ in areas from the majority (Example, really high on Gears and Halo while Red Dead and Sekiro are personal bottom dwellers). And I've seen a lot of certain rankings that bum me out, but hey, that's opinions for ya!
For your point on, "Wow we all love this game," I think it's been apparent from the get go CyberPunk, Resident Evil 2 Remake, and Red Dead Redemption 2 were virtual guarantees to be in the top 5. It's been fun to see Kingdom Hearts III, Smash, and The Last of Us Part II fluctuate, especially TLoU Pt. II. (Also, I think Spiderman will be a permanent top member after seeing how today unfolded).
"This game doesn't deserve to be at this slot!" is an expected flame starter and one I'm happy to see hasn't appeared here. Sure, even carry a sentiment about certain games being where they are, but I know it's a collective. Mine, and everyone else's lists are where we individually believe games should be, but using me as an example, I love that I'm the outlier for Gears, and everyone else balances me out. Again, speaking only for myself, despite having the game so high, I can understand why it's near the bottom. No harm, no foul. As of now, it's where it belongs, as is every other game's spot.
The jab at Anthem was/is a little out of nowhere, only because I lack the context, but it's fine. We all will have our jaded feelings about the games we've set at the bottom. Black Ops IV is an excellent example. Going ONLY by the numbers, only TWO lists have the game outside of their five LEAST desired games, and only just. With that evidence as the basis of the following sentence: I'm happy to see it be at the bottom. Why? Because I recognize many people share in a sentiment I hold: Black Ops IV (specifically, but for me personally the series as a whole) is absolutely not worth it at all, and is completely unappealing.
I agree anticipation is a nice twist. We have the GOTY threads which are really fun, especially when we stake our claims "X was the best game this year because...." or "I didn't/don't get why/what everyone sees that Y is so great because..." But here, it's just if we had only a finite amount of games we could play, what are the ones would we play today, which could be left on the side of the road for all we care, and which are the ones do we decide one or the other at the cutting line.
Personally, I have a separate "Most Wanted" document that I update whenever new things release, or I hear several different thoughts on it. For example, Anthem started in a decent spot and has plummeted to just barely being on my list. It's where it is on my desire index because EVERY game below it is not a game I'm interested in getting, and everything ranked underneath is how little to how much I could be persuaded in playing it. So when a new batch of games get introduced by the Allies, I just plug them in and that's where they'll stay.
I'll go into detail about where I've ranked everything now, so if you don't care then this will the end of the message. With that said, I think this a fantastic discussion in and of itself so thank you for that!
Kingdom Hearts III is tops for me because there is only one other franchise I care about more. KH III has been so long in waiting for me, so of course I want it the most (Of the games provided so far.).
The Last of Us is a top five game of all time for me, so I want the sequel BADLY.
I'm a die hard Gears fan, so of course I want as much Gears as I can. Yes, I wish 4 was better, and Judgment was more frustrating than fun, but overall, this is my favorite Xbox franchise, and one I've been a fan for so long. If Tactics wasn't PC exclusive, I may have given strategy games a chance. And yes, if it isn't the absolute awful money play that I think it is, I want to give Gears Pop a shot. But I doubt it.
I don't think I need to say much about CyberPunk. I've become so endeared to CD Projekt Red without ever playing a second of the Witcher, and with the setting, I really want to give this game a go.
Halo is where it is for me more for friends than anything. Halo 5 was a bigger disappointment to its franchise than Gears 4 was, and while I don't want to badger everyone with 20 million reasons why, I've been encouraged to hear the small points about Infinite. But hear is where the disparity lies. The difference between CyberPunk and Halo is VAST on my anticipated list, with four or five games in between.
Halo and Anthem reside at the bottom and I've already touched a little bit on Anthem. I'll only add that I'm a big fan of BioWare and the primary team has been working on this while secondary did Andromeda. But hearing that Anthem all but requires people to get through it has it dead last for me.
Spiderman and Ghost of Tsushima were the only two games I gave serious consideration into getting them based off of their E3 showings. The former more so because Insomniac is the developer and they are the studio I've been a fan of the longest (I got Spyro the Dragon when I was six). Arkham style combat? Taking down multiple villains? Web slinging feels fantastic? All great news to hear. The reason it's on the outside looking in for me is because... well... I just don't care about Spiderman as a property. I don't have the knowledge or passion for it, despite how well it looks. Ghost's lighting was what really took my breath away. Seeing the sunset and storm while in that field was breathtaking. And I'm fascinated by the combat. But as far as what I saw from the story, it's just not my cup of tea. I hope it does well though!
Babylon's Fall is in a position of complete neutral for me. Not knowing what it is is actually a benefit over things I have active distaste for. I know Platinum is lauded for their combat prowess, but outside of that, who knows what this is.
Now are games that I know for a fact I'll never play:
Skull & Bones: Mostly multiplayer? No dedicated, strictly and wholly single player experience of being a pirate? Pass.
Smash is Smash and I don't like fighting games. It's as high as it is for me because I'm happy for others they're getting the best Smash of all time.
Control's imagery is just a little too out there for me. I've never really been drawn to Remedy games.
I'm super happy Resident Evil 2 Remake is not only a thing, but it'll be here in about 6 or 7 months. It's just that I'm a wuss and there's no way in hell I'm playing this. Ever.
Past generation 3, I don't like Pokemon, so while Pokemon Let's Go is a remake of a gen 1 game, there are just so many mechanics surrounding this that turn me off. Shrugs shoulders
Much for the same reason as Smash and RE2: R, I'm happy DMC 5 is coming for its fans. I'm just not one of them, and I've really been.
Between THE two JRPG franchises by Square, I've always been in the Final Fantasy camp, so I've never played DQ. Plus, as much hate as I'm about to get, I too absolute do NOT like the art style. It's why I don't like Dragon Ball and have no interest in playing Chrono Trigger.
While I'm a big fan of Bethesda the publisher, I'm not too high on Bethesda the developer. So Fallout isn't my thing, ESPECIALLY when this is a strictly online entry.
I'm not a fan of Rockstar games. Never have been, and it looks like I never will be. Watched Red Dead Revisited to try and gain some understanding about why it's so lauded. I just don't get it. That, and I'm actively not into anything that resembles a Wild West aesthetic. Just not for me.
The Elder Scrolls VI - See the above about Fallout
Sekiro is so low on my list more out of meta annoyance than anything else. I'm sure it will be a fantastic game, but I've seen enough of Souls and Bloodborne to know that I'm never playing for a variety of reasons.
Sonic Team Racing is next to last because... well... Sonic. I'll never understand the fandom behind him.
Call of Duty is dead last because I'm sick and tired of seeing Call of Duty year after year, changing a couple of things within itself but outwardly showing a lack of any real, tangible, exciting shakeups to its formula. And I don't think we ever will. For me, this is the most boring franchise that is currently going today.