YOUR Desire Index

  • Before gathering together the most recent lists, I wanted to take a post to respond separately:

    @Chocobop I didn't know about the pagination! I've been using infinite scroll since the forums started, so thank you VERY much for pointing this out to me!

    Thank you for saying the thread is an awesome idea, but I MUST say the credit should belong to Axel, Sentinel Beach, and Inustar as they were the ones who intially kicked around the idea in the EZA Desire Index thread over in Shows. All I did was decide to create it.

    Also, I really like hyperlinking the original post, as it does help me considerably. What I've done in the past is on Wednesdays when there are 8-12 lists and I have to do a clean version, I type down the names of all who've said they've updated, then scroll to find their OG post. It's not too bad and is only a once a week type of deal.

    And by the by, no need to put a "Mr." in front of my tag. I'm not called "Mr." in any way so seeing is weird. But now that I've said that, watch as everyone does it. X-D

    I really don't mind the notifications, because they all (for the MOST part) occur in a single thread when I receive multiple ones, so just clicking on the thread instantly gets rid of them. This very post, for example, I logged in to see I had three notifications, and the moment I clicked the thread, poof, all gone! So it's not a big deal.

    @Mbun The only reason why I was initially opposed to that option at the start was because to use Chocobop's wording, I was concerned about "noise." I thought by constantly doing that over and over, it would be list after list after list from multiple people, and I wasn't sure if I could track it properly. Again, that was something I considered only from my point of view, seeing as how I was going to curate the Master Index. My hope was for everyone to have one list post, posts saying, "Hey, I've updated," and posts with discussions. Which for the most part has been exactly what happened. I only purposed the above because of the scrolling everyone would have to do. While I'm not necessarily opposed to do doing it, I can't speak for others, but Chocobop graciously pointed out could be changed, so it's not as big a deal as it was when I asked my question.

    Overall it seems split, so unless there's more feedback, we'll just keep doing things like we've been doing. Thanks again to all of you! Now time to take in the newest lists into account.

  • Update 3.6 has movement! Red Dead Redemption 2 and Ghost of Tsushima swap places with RDR 2 holding a 0.2 lead. JUST behind them is Resident Evil 2 Remake by 0.1.

    The Last of Us Part II tumbles two spots, with it trailing Control by 0.1, which is trailing Sekiro by 0.2.

    Smash also drops two places. It’s in a tie with Dragon Quest XI, but DQ has more highest desires. DMC 5 only edges that tie out by 0.4.

    The Elder Scrolls VI has now tied with Skull & Bones, but Skull & Bones still wins out with having a sixth highest desire.

    Judging by how these updates are going, I’m pretty sure I can now say the final five games have their spots locked in, with the exception of the potential of a game brought by the Allies we don’t like. I don’t know what that could be at the moment, but everything from Gears 5 down is pretty much at the place they’ll be.

  • @brannox said in YOUR Desire Index:

    And by the by, no need to put a "Mr." in front of my tag. I'm not called "Mr." in any way so seeing is weird. But now that I've said that, watch as everyone does it. X-D

    There's a funny story behind the "Mr." actually. I originally wanted to write

    I updated my desire index you guys! Paging Mr. @Brannox, report to medical bay 6.

    in my "example text" because the example text was already jokey and this extra bit would be a jokey reference to Perfect Dark.

    If anyone cares, here's a paragraph explaining the reference:
    Specifically it is a reference to the level Area 51 Rescue where every few minutes the player will hear the PA system activate and play one of four voice clips such as "Captain Santiago, report to medical bay 6". The game does this to create the ambience of the level being a military-medical facility. However it's a long level and the 4 voice clips aren't enough to avoid noticeable repetition. Obviously, these unseen people like Captain Santiago never reach where they are supposed to go, and PA system will just incessantly make the same polite request over and over no matter how much time you spend in the level, so the ambience falls apart if you think about it too hard. This line in particular has at times been a meme to PD fans, as in "Will Captain Santiago PLEASE report to medical bay 6!?". It's been immortalized in a few walkthroughs and old gamefaqs posts like this one.

    Anyway, I deleted the obscure Perfect Dark reference and just left the "Mr.", hoping it would still come across as jokey in the context of "pagers" alone.

  • Updated mine:

    Cyberpunk 2077
    Resident Evil 2 Remake
    Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    The Last of Us Part II
    Skull & Bones
    Gears 5
    Devil May Cry V
    Ghost of Tsushima
    Pokémon: Let's Go Pikachu & Eevee
    Red Dead Redemption II
    Dragon Quest XI
    Halo: Infinite
    Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
    The Elder Scrolls VI
    Babylon's Fall
    Team Sonic Racing
    Kingdom Hearts III
    Fallout 76
    Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII

  • Updated List :

    1-The Last of Us Part II
    2-Resident Evil 2 Remake
    3-Cyberpunk 2077
    5-Ghost of tsushima
    7-Red Dead Redemption 2
    9-Dragon Quest XI
    10-Kingdom Hearts III
    11-Devil May Cry 5
    12-The Elder Scrolls VI
    13-Fallout 76
    15-Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    16-Pokémon: Let's Go
    17-Babylon's Fall
    18-Call of Duty IV
    19-Skull & Bones
    20-Halo Infinite
    21-Gears 5
    22-Team Sonic Racing

  • Update 3.7: Resident Evil 2 and Red Dead Redemption 2 switch spots, the first update where two games trade places NOT next to each other. Ghost of Tsushima is tied with RDR 2, but takes precedent for having more highest desires. RE2 R is ahead of this tie by 0.3.

    The Last of Us Part II catapults from 9th to 6th, making it the big winner of this update.

    Kingdom Hearts III slides down in between Sekiro (trailing by 0.3) and Control (ahead by 0.1).

    Smash gets back ahead of Dragon Quest XI, but only by 0.1.

    The difference between Fallout 76 and The Elder Scrolls VI is almost at a full point. Fallout is over Halo by 0.4, who leads Skull & Bones by 0.4, which edges Elder Scrolls by 0.1.

    There was no movement in the bottom ten games.

  • Updated my list. Are we reposting at the bottom?

    1. Resident Evil 2 Remake
    2. Spider-Man
    3. The Last of Us Part II
    4. Red Dead Redemption 2
    5. Cyberpunk 2077
    6. Anthem
    7. Kingdom Hearts III
    8. Ghost of Tsushima
    9. Control
    10. Super Smash Bros Ultimate
    11. Devil May Cry 5
    12. Fallout: 76
    13. Halo Infinite
    14. Gears 5
    15. Babylon’s Fall
    16. Skull & Bones
    17. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
    18. Dragon Quest XI
    19. Elder Scrolls VI
    20. Call of Duty IV
    21. Sonic Team Racing
    22. Pokemon: Lets go Eevee/Pikachu

  • Update 3.8 are we’re getting close to version 4.0! The back and forth battle between Red Dead Redemption 2 and Ghost of Tsushima has been fun to watch in recent updates! RDR 2 gets the better of of Tsushima this time, but only by 0.1.

    Control also switches with Kingdom Hearts III, with the same margin of difference. Sekiro leads Control by a slim 0.3.

    The Elder Scrolls has very slowly, but surely clawed as much as it could to move out of the basement of versions past to keep climbing. Only a couple of spots, but still notable, now passing Skull & Bones by 0.1.

    Now I think it’s gotten to the point where aside from a couple of flips, the list is stabilized… well, for at least a couple of days.

    @Faaip I posed the question to gauge how others felt we should or keep it as is and it was split. We'll keep updating our original posts unless I see several others in favor of creating a new post with our full indexes.

  • Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
    Kingdom Hearts 3
    Dragon Quest XI
    Fallout 76
    The Elder Scrolls VI
    Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Babylon's Fall
    Pokemon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu
    Ghost of tsushima
    Cyberpunk 2077
    Sonic team racing
    last of us part 2
    REmake 2
    devil may cry 5
    spider man
    red dead 2
    gears 5
    halo infinite
    skull and bones

  • @ff7cloud I noticed you're missing a game: Skull & Bones. Could you please include that in your rankings? Otherwise I can't properly average out.

  • @brannox fixed just shows you how much im looking forward to it ;)

  • And immediately 3.9 is live! As I just mentioned, Red Dead Redemption 2 and Ghost of Tsushima are constantly going back and forth. Resident Evil 2 Remake holds a slim 0.2 lead of GoT right now.

    Kingdom Hearts III slips back in front of Control, and by a larger margin than it was before 3.8.

    Smash is able to re-enter the top 10, but the vying among it, Devil May Cry 5 and Dragon Quest XI is tight with 0.1 in between each! With Dragon Quest XI getting so close, the gap between the top group and everything else is more pronounced than ever.

    Fallout 76 is closing the distance on Babylon’s Fall, with only a 0.3 difference.

    And once again, The Elder Scrolls closes on whatever is above it. Now it’s only 0.2 away from Halo: Infinite.

    The bottom dozen didn’t move, but as I just pointed out, there was a lot of background shifts.

  • My desire list is as follows right now going by those on the 'official' list;

    1 - Cyberpunk 2077
    2 - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    3 - Gears 5
    4 - Control
    5 - Resident Evil 2 Remake
    6 - Anthem

    I don't really care for anything else on the list right now.

    I'm hyped-up for Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Shadow of the Tomb Raider though. I'll be intersted to see where they place with the Allies but sense it won't be too high... :-\

  • @luckywallace You gotta order all the entries or it won't be included in the one that averages everyone's lists together. Most of us have some to alot of stuff we don't really care for on our lists, but you can kinda gut feeling what you would potentially care more or less for from all that noise.

  • @luckywallace Mbun is right. I need to have the full list in order to factor it into the rankings. This prevents a skew where some games show up and others don't. If it helps, try slotting in the rest of the games like from least to most effort it would take to convince you to play it, or some other metric you're comfortable with.

  • I must confess I am in a similar boat, my Desire Index is: Spider-Man. I'm quite enjoying spectating on this though, so just want to also commend @Brannox on all the work being put in. I especially enjoy the update posts and tend to read them with a sports announcer voice in my head. Keep up the good work! :)

  • @robbobwill Thank you for the kind words! I'm a numbers nerd for this kind of thing like seeing how close games are and can switch spots from just one person, or how established groups are formed like the got to have it games to ones we wouldn't care if they got cancelled. This, the GOTY threads, the Selective Creation/Kill Your Babies threads ALL have been wonderful insights into both personal and collective interests, opinions, and some of my favorite discussions.

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  • @brannox Can I ask you a question about the calculations -- the math -- for a second? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming -- primarily since it was never stated anywhere -- that you are using a linear system of assigning points to each person's "votes". By this I mean that the game someone chose to rank 10th on their list is worth 1 point more than the game they ranked 11th, which in turn is worth more than 1 point than their 12th rated gamed and so on for all positions in the list.

    I would like to propose making things slightly less linear at the top of each person's lists.

    My concern is that people care *a lot* more about their top picks than the bottom half. More specifically, towards bottom of people's lists consecutively ranked games typically have a "difference in desire" is a lot lower than consecutively ranked games somewhere higher in their own list.

    Nevertheless, a linear system is still a reasonable choice because it's hard to agree on which non-linear decreasing function is best based on mathematical principles. Everyone is just so different! We "lose interest" at different and unpredictable rates as we go down our own lists. That's why I propose keeping the linear system as the bedrock, and only make this small change:

    Proposed change:

    • a person's top rated game is worth 3 points more than their 2nd rated game
    • a person's 2nd rated game is worth 2 points more than their 3rd rated game

    Then continue as normal for the remainder of the list.

    This proposal is not intended to fully capture what I asserted a few paragraphs above:

    people care *a lot* more about their top picks than the bottom half.

    but it would be a small tip of the hat in that direction, and I think it might be quite popular.

  • @chocobop Before going into greater detail, I want to stress I appreciate you taking the time to give it some thought AND provide a counter! The answer is yes, but there's an additional step in averaging the total number of lists submitted. I'll pull CyberPunk as an example:

    It currently has a score of 492. Right now the highest score ANY game can get is 22 points for having the highest desire. 21 points for being the second highest and so on and so forth. Now, before recording every person's entry, I count up how many lists there are in total for the update. Currently there are 27 lists up to date. SO: 492/27 = 18.2222.... so it's 18.2. Yes, I round up the tenths place so there is only one decimal. This is to help me do two things: 1.) Be as accurate as I can in really close games and 2.) If there are ties after all that, I go by which game has more highest desires.

    Now, I use this system for, again, two reasons:

    1.) This helps me on the back end in making sure there ISN'T a skew (because that is what you're proposing) creating an imbalanced formula. I completely agree we all have varying levels of desires and hype. Just take a look at my list. The difference between Anthem and Spiderman for me is drastic. Anthem still (however miniscule) has a chance for me to play. Spiderman I'm not going to play (Though to its credit, E3 did all it could to convince me to get on my list). Spiderman down is a personal close call between each entry. Now above that? The difference between CyberPunk and Halo is pretty substantial, while Kingdom Hearts III and The Last of Us Part II are pretty much in a range all their own. By keeping everything equally spaced, the list can easily be maintained.

    2.) The list vacillates a lot when it gets updated with new games. Several people immediately update Wednesday night. Others wait until Friday. There are posts currently that DON'T have the full 22 games. The Master Index is ONLY a representation of all games and lists with all said games. This prevents lists with only 10 or 17 entries from skewing away from the full 22. Please keep in mind, some BIG games got introduced last week.

    I DO have a back up in the event the Allies don't revisit the Desire Index. That's when things will get crazy. But we'll see by this time tomorrow.

    This is also intended to be BETTER than what the Allies do, because they try to slot a game and move on from that, not all nine are present, and the averages make sure people like me who are super high on Gears are not improperly placing it on the Master Index when it's not indicative of the COLLECTIVE. And as I try to highlight in the updates, there are definite groupings, so it all evens out.

    In summary, as it sits at the moment, the Master Index needs to have a linearity for: Upkeep, complete inclusion, simplicity without a skew, and to be definitive.