YOUR Desire Index



  • What did Remedy ever do to Lotias? :/



  • @jamicov said in YOUR Desire Index:

    Here's my list! I feel good about the beginning and end of the list, but the middle is where I get foggy. I feel like anything from #8 to #15 could be moved around. And hopefully I can do right by TLOU2 and bump it back up.

    1. Kingdom Hearts III
    2. The Last of Us Part II
    3. Spider-Man
    4. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
    5. Cyberpunk 2077
    6. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    7. Resident Evil 2 Remake
    8. Ghost of Tsushima
    9. Death Stranding
    10. Dragon Quest XI
    11. Red Dead Redemption 2
    12. Fallout 76
    13. Control
    14. Dreams
    15. Devil May Cry 5
    16. Anthem
    17. Babylon's Fall
    18. Pokemon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu
    19. Halo: Infinite
    20. The Elder Scrolls VI
    21. Darksiders III
    22. Shadow of the Tomb Raider
    23. Skull & Bones
    24. Gears 5
    25. Forza Horizon 4
    26. Sonic Team Racing
    27. Call of Duty: Black Ops IV
    28. Crackdown 3

    Updated my list! I've started to come to terms with Pokemon, so that moved up a bit. For the new stuff, Forza, Crackdown, and Tomb Raider are pretty low, I don't have much interest in them. I had never paid attention to Darksiders, but the description from the EZA podcast made me somewhat interested, so that's why that's above the others. And then lastly, I'm pretty excited for Dreams, I was kind of in as soon as I saw that music demo from E3 or PSX or whatever it was. I put that on the mid-to-high end of my list because those sorts of creation games also kinda stress me out.


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    @sentinel-beach Hahaha! Nothing personal! Never felt an interest in their games after Alan Wake. Nothing personal, Just got other games Im more hyped about at the moment :)



  • I’m surprised to be giving Update 5.7, not because there are more lists, but because we should know what the next games are sometime late this evening and the next version will be live tonight or sometime tomorrow afternoon. Before I get started, a note to @CJTreader: You’re missing Team Sonic Racing from your list, and because it’s incomplete, I can’t factor it in. BUT: If you wait until tonight or tomorrow when the new games are revealed, you’ll be one of the first to be taken into account! Now onto the changes.

    The Last of Us Part II got a big benefit, moving up two and into the top five. It leads Red Dead Redemption 2 by 0.2, which barely holds a 0.1 lead over Resident Evil 2: Remake.

    Conversely, Devil May Cry 5 drops two to be behind Sekiro by 0.1.

    Death Stranding moves up two to supplant Control for 10th and hold off Kingdom Hearts III by 0.1. Control takes the spot Death Stranding vacated.

    Halo: Infinite and Fallout 76 trade places, and the difference between is the mascot of this thread: 0.1.

    The most intriguing movement occurs just behind, as Darksiders III moves up one, staying ahead of this update’s big winner The Elder Scrolls VI, which moved up four spots and into the top 20. TES VI is just ahead of Forza Horizon 4 by 0.1, which sputtered down two places, and is ahead of Babylon’s Fall by 0.2, which outpaces Skull & Bones by 0.3, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider brings up the last of this group (and another game that fell two) by 0.2. All of that means the difference between Darksiders III and Shadow is just over a full point.

    As I touched on earlier, I hope to have the next version tonight, but no later than tomorrow afternoon.



  • Ladies and Gentlemen, the day has finally come. It was inevitable, but I held out the vain hope it wouldn't until games started releasing:

    The Allies do NOT add to the Index this week.

    So, a choice. Would you rather:

    Wait a week without doing any additions, see if the Allies come back to it (because it is implied during Corrections they will revisit it again at somepoint), and keep doing what we've been doing. If you select this option and the Allies do NOT revisit it next week, we will go to the other option....

    OR

    Open it up to the chaos. All lists include ALL games (With us KEEPING every game that's been introduced so far.) we desire. This means four things:

    1.) You would DROP the games you seriously do not desire AT ALL, but every game that has been introduced will STILL be factored in the index.

    2.) The formula would fundamentally change because of number 1. So the Master Index might SIGNIFICANTLY change. Or it might only vary slightly. Games no one desires will of course be at the bottom, but if it's part of the original 28, they will NOT be taken off UNTIL they come out.

    3.) I'm considering starting a different thread. With a fundamental shift in how the list is curated, the 325 posts already have followed and focused on a particular way everything was collected, compiled and computed. Also, doing this would mean people wouldn't have to update their first posts here and have a completely fresh start with what they really want. HOWEVER, I'm hesitant to do this because I would like to have this one topic STAY one topic, and this thread shows an evolving and growing narrative, from the first 10 games of immediate post E3 to as of now having an Index 28 strong.

    4.) We follow the Allies no more. Meaning: if the Allies DO come back to the index, it doesn't matter for THIS thread specifically (unless anyone wishes to leave a thought about how we differ).

    So for all you KYB and SC veterans out there, here's a throwback:

    VOTE

    Because of this, I'm not going to immediately take lists (unlike the post DIRECTLY above implies), because I want as many of you to make your preference heard. I will check in when I can over the course of the day tomorrow, and by this time tomorrow, I'll call it off. Whatever has the most votes wins. If the first choice, I'll pop back in this time next week. If the latter.... My Friday evening and Saturday are going to be busy.

    Let me know what you think and thanks in advance for your input and for participating in this fun thread.



  • Personally I'd prefer to open it up to all games, because right now it feels less like my Desire Index and more like my Which-game-would-I-least-dislike-to-play-if-forced-at-gunpoint Index.

    Not sure I understand why we would keep the current games in though? For example, let's say nobody puts Anthem in their new desire index, why should it even be on the master list then?

    But either way, I'll follow the game wherever you take it, thanks again for doing this!



  • Opening it up to all games would probably be the best course of action. I also agree with @Axel that we don't necessarily need to stick to the rigid 28 games that are already on the list - and not just because he proposed Anthem not showing up at all. If we're going to go off and do our own thing, may as well go all the way.



  • @Axel @SabotageTheTruth Thanks guys! To the point about keeping what's already been introduced, with the new system, they would be at the bottom, and wouldn't be desired at all. But here's the thing: Every. Single. Game. Has at least ONE person that, while not necessarily at the top, has it in their top group. Looking at the numbers, Crackdown 3 and The Elder Scrolls VI MIGHT be excluded, but with only one or even two games, why eliminate just that much (when they're not out yet and won't be for a WHILE)?

    Also, something I didn't touch on in the above post, I've always felt this would be the inevitable end, but I really feel that going along with the podcast allowed for games like Call of Duty, Team Sonic Racing, Pokemon Let's Go, Gears 5, and yes, even Anthem, have an opportunity to be included. And I still stand by what I said much, MUCH earlier in the thread concerning upkeep and being orderly on the back end. When the transition happens, I have to throw out everything I've done and start from scratch (which was the genesis to the idea of starting a new thread).

    As for following the game, it follows consensus. So if those who agree with you outnumber everyone else (or if NO ONE else votes or comments, YOU will be the consensus =-D ), then I'll switch it up. Either way, look for that final decision soon.



  • @brannox Make a post in the topic with the "FINAL" list before yall open it up and go nuts.



  • @mbun People can just click the double up arrow at the top to still the most recent version of the Master Index. I always keep it updated with every applicable list.

    So no "Final" post like your suggestion would be necessary. Also, the concept of a "Final" list wouldn't work as the Desire Index is ever-living.



  • @brannox I'm saying the Master Index is going to get nuts if you open it up to every game or whatever. Before that happens, preserve the "FINAL" iteration of the one that followed the Podcast by posting it, then you can keep updating the one at the top with whatever new rules yall use from there on.



  • Let's just wait, the only time Everything Now was a reasonable thing to consider was when Arcade Fire did it, and it's only decent at best.



  • I think we could put this thread on hold and come back to the Official Index Games™ if and when the Allies return to the Index on the podcast. Then we'll continue moving those certain games into our most desired order.

    At this point a new thread for "every game you want" could be the thing to do. People will get it. Just put a link here and explain the situation in the opening post of how things are now between the two threads.

    I have a question, though. How would the points work, when people would have lists of different lengths? I mean one person could have 15 games on their index, another one 40. How would the points be distributed from those lists? Would the person with the longest list have the most influence on the Master Index?

    Anyway, thanks for continuing to do this! I can tell you're both excited and maybe slightly worried about the chaos that the open-list system would create. You'll manage it!



  • @bennysce updated!



  • This new proposal has me confused. If we open it up to all upcoming games, surely the cohesion of the ranking system will be sent into disarray. What would the cut-off point be, since we can't really include ALL upcoming games and still be able to keep with ranking them overall, since there's hundreds upon hundreds of games always in the pipeline at any given time.



  • @sentinel-beach If nothing else, I see this as the end of Desire Index Season 1, so even if it point of the Desire Index is to be updated, I think the "Season 1 Results" should be "published" in a post to be preserved before things change or reset, so if anyone in the future finds the topic they can see how that section of the Index ended up, while the one atop the thread can continue to update as the "current, living" Desire Index. Think of it as ranked results for "top players" at the end of the season of a game. Sure, they will change, get reset, etc. and don't matter anymore when the Desire Index starts up again, but it is good to log seasonal results at points where natural stops come to or major changes are made to the index.



  • Spidey makin' me proud.



  • I can't go as in depth as I want right this moment, but I'll clarify in a few hours. However, some quick responses:

    @Sentinel-Beach The point will be completely scrapped. I won't be using points at all. I don't want to give away how I'm doing things until a decision is reached. And thank you for the kind words! Yes it does concern me a little, but at the end of the day, I would much rather the majority direct how this is curated.

    @bennysce Dependent on how the situation turns out, I'll add your list and do a typical update OR you'll just have what you're interested.

    @smoothrunes Again, I'll be using a different system, and there isn't a cut-off point.



  • @brannox

    Since the podcast version of the Desire Index seems to be only on temporary hiatus, I lean towards waiting a week. We can always go nuts later. (I also think one should endeavor to word straw poll options neutrally, but I appreciate the desire for levity.)

    I've been withholding myself from raising @Sentinel-Beach 's exact concern for a long time (simply because I figured no one would care until the day came). But I have silently been putting a fair amount of thought into it. To repeat his concern:

    If and when we move to "all games allowed", how are we going to deal with each list varying in length?


    I think putting a maximum size on each person's submitted list is one reasonable solution to this problem (whether that number be 10, 20, or 30, etc I have no opinion, but I can offer suggestions that will allow us to experimentally converge on a good number), because it allows the current system of awarding points on a linear scale to be preserved. Most people would use most of the available votes they are allowed, while others (as evidenced by previous posts in this very thread) would only post their top 5 because they sincerely don't care about anything else beyond those. And that's fine, as their votes wouldn't be punished for not filling up an entire list.

    While it is perfectly possible to use a linear scale point system without imposing a "maximum list size restriction", such a system might begin to feel silly if most people are doing lists of 20 and one or two people post a list of 100.

    There doesn't, of course, need to be a size restriction on the aggregated, master index (the length of the master index would equal the number of distinct games that posters have voted for).

    Finally, there are also other systems we could consider, this is just what appeared to me to be the simplest system.



  • @brannox said in YOUR Desire Index:

    @Sentinel-Beach The points will be completely scrapped. I won't be using points at all. I don't want to give away how I'm doing things [the replacement for assigning points] until a decision is reached.

    I'm against this, and I think the reason is self-evident: Why are we voting or discussing the options without knowing what we are voting on or the options we are trying to choose between?

    Second, you are also leaving me and many other people excitedly curious about what the new system is, but we aren't allowed to ask you about it?? I don't like that, I want to know and have my curiosity be saited or at bare minimum have a broad, low resolution outline of the new system.

    Finally, the quoted portion also leaves the unintended impression that you aren't going to change the system after the switch over should people desire a different implementation that is more widely liked.