The Naughty Dog Agenda



  • @sheria That's what I have Twitter for, no need to be so cautious there
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    @El-Shmiablo Censerous, Boomers usually support the idea that violence in video games should be censored,, regardless of which political ideology they subscribe to. The others just want to censor everything that offends them, often those are white guilters on behalf of a minority group that isn't offended, like the fauxrage over Mario wearing a Sombrero. They actually unironically think "cultural appropriation" thing and bad, LUL. I will always vote aginst the interests of these people.



  • The video is stupid because Naughty Dog make 10/10 games and he agrees. Agenda's are pushed through every game.



  • @Sheria Funny how you completely ignored the well written and thought out post by @SabotageTheTruth. Maybe that's the "Sheria agenda": Posting garbage and not engage when it's being torn apart. People like you make me laugh, so thanks for that. :D


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    @black-cell said in The Naughty Dog Agenda:

    Its kinda sad developers has to spend budget on SJW and femenist elements rather than spent budget on good level design and gameplay.

    I don't even know where to start on this comment. What exactly do you mean by 'spending money on SJW' because they're including female characters or gay characters?

    Do strong female leads or support characters bother you? If so why?

    Do gay characters bother you? If so why?

    Do you have any examples of where the inclusion of either have had a detrimental effect on the level design or gameplay? Some specific game titles would be nice if you do.



  • @musou-tensei said in The Naughty Dog Agenda:

    WIth the time more and more people will realize that this bs simpy doesn't make good games, especially not those you'd want to spend 60 bucks on, it happened in the comic industry, it will happen in the gaming industry.

    Does it make for bad games? Because even if you can argue that is the case there doesn't seem to any argument for thinking that this will decline or that it has let to failures, and tbh this just seems like a point of view that is very skewed towards your personal conception which I think we can agree is representative of a very niche audience.



  • I'll keep this relatively brief as I'm supposed to be sharing in some "good news" from my cousin.

    1. I don't feel like there is an agenda, at least not from triple a studios, Indies on the other hand more then likely.
    2. I feel there is a difference between Social Justice Advocates and Social Justice Warriors, that being that warriors end up hurting thier own cause and damage it's perception in the eyes of the public. Social Justice Warriors also tend to be completely insufferable as "The Cause" is seemingly the only thing that matters in thier life (and they'd probably be lost if they ever achieved it).
    3. I do feel that potential backlash from feminist has scared most devs and publishers away from developing or localizing various games (DoAX3, and Omega Labyrinth Z as brief examples, big titty anime games, but thier is a market for them)
    4. I have no issues with playing games with female characters, main or side characters, and depending on the game and it's scenario (or the case of ME1-3 voice actors) picking female characters.

    I have few more, out of time. will reply when I can



  • @exist-2-inspire said in The Naughty Dog Agenda:

    @Sheria Funny how you completely ignored the well written and thought out post by @SabotageTheTruth. Maybe that's the "Sheria agenda": Posting garbage and not engage when it's being torn apart. People like you make me laugh, so thanks for that. :D

    You're, umm welcome? I can assure you I've ignored nothing written here though.



  • Have to admit it's a bit depressing to see some of the responses in the topic. Of course there is the standard complaints of having to be "cautious" and the topic will be locked which really just comes across that those users don't actually have anything constructive or interesting to say, just worried about showing their true colours.

    Even though I think this topic has already run it's course, It's being left open for people to respond to posts. Stop with the digs being thrown at posters.

    On the actual video, I watched it and @SabotageTheTruth pretty much nailed everything in the second post. It's very strange that the video doesn't actually have any in game examples to show that what Naughty Dog are doing has a detrimental effect on their games.

    And just on a very strange point from the video, he mentions that the focus from the studio and media was the kiss. From what I saw, all the focus on the gameplay demo for TLOU2 was how violent and brutal the game was. The only thing I actually saw about the kiss was people saying how incredibly animated it was. It just kinda showed how narrow minded this person is being to me.

    And probably like everyone else here, I waiting for someone to actually give a good example of how this is affecting games negatively cause all we're actually getting is the standard "These are not the games I want" which is fine I guess, but you can just ignore them, like how other people will ignore the games that those people like.



  • @tokeeffe9 said in The Naughty Dog Agenda:

    Have to admit it's a bit depressing to see some of the responses in the topic. Of course there is the standard complaints of having to be "cautious" and the topic will be locked which really just comes across that those users don't actually have anything constructive or interesting to say, just worried about showing their true colours.

    I think those that have been banned or locked out in the past have the most experience there. Not sure I've heard of locking a thread when conversation has run its course though.

    Incorrect assumption though I'm afraid. I'd never be worried about showing my colours, especially about current PC nonsense.



  • If there's a discussion in here, you're gonna have to stop throwing around code words like "PC nonsense" and "SJW agenda" and say what you mean. If you're so comfortable in your beliefs, just say them out loud and own it.

    Are you mad that Ellie is a woman? Are you mad that this woman character happens to be a lesbian, and is therefore not expressly created to sexually titillate you? Are you mad that she kills men? Does that bother you? What is the ACTUAL issue? Must all games and all developers cater to the tastes of you specifically? Let's have an honest talk and unpack aaaaallll the gross shit we're dancing around here.

    Spit it out!



  • @tokyoslim The issue is that women in the real world don't like them very much because they're socially inept so they go on forums ( their safe space where they don't have to speak to people face to face) to vent there frustrations because they need someone to blame for there failing. This may sound brutal but its so fucking transparent. Hope these lonely boys grow up to be real men one day. Their lives will be so much better & they can focus their anger on something more important.



  • I don't really have anything to add to the discussion (I watched the video but as someone who hasn't actually played any Naughty Dog games besides TLOU I can't really comment on them) but I find it kinda sad how everyone just keeps acting snarky and talking shit about each other instead of either trying to have a civil discussion or just leaving the thread.



  • That video was spot-on about the antagonistic name calling on both sides.



  • @hanabi There just isn't much discussion to be had.
    Those who have tried to broaden the discussion are being ignored. No examples of negative impacts on games have been given. No legitimate complaints as to how feminism effects media in general are being presented.
    The conversation seems one sided and slightly antagonistic because, well, we are presenting countet aguments and expecting a conversation and being rebutted with nothing more than vague shitposting about "PC nonsense" and the like.

    When serious discussion comes from both sides, maybe we'll actually have a serious discussion.

    Until then...

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  • @futurecorpse I think it would be more productive to let people speak for themselves. I'm generally socially inept and don't have a great track record with women in real life too, but I'm not mad about it or think they owe me anything.

    You're describing symptoms. I'm asking for beliefs.



  • @tokyoslim
    No issue with Ellie as a women, no issue that she's a lesbian, no issue that she doesn't titillate, or that she kills people.
    Personally didnt see Ellie as a lesbian or growing to become one, even after playing Left Behind (which admittedly my memory is fuzzy about it atm, but planning to replay it after my next TLOU run thru) But I can also kinda see how she would lean that way as Riley was the closest thing she had to family at the time, before being taken in by the Marlene.

    Really I have no issue with exploring different aspects of life thru gaming, or film, books, ect and experiencing stories from different points of view from my own, if film or games can say allow one to walk a mile in another shoes ill usually take it.
    With that said there are times where I feel that focusing on one single aspect of a character or person that I think people start to miss the point. As I mentioned to a friend on facebook the small controversy over the Freddie Mercury movie with people basically saying he wasn't gay enough in the ONE single trailer that has been released for it was pathetic, since 1. its a 2 minute trailer meant to get you amped up for a biopic about one of the greatest musical talents that passed on way too soon. (off topic, seriously hope they release a album of mashed together Queen music, as that was awesome) and 2. There was far, far more to Freddie then just him being gay, completely forgetting he was one talented artist, with many, many more amazing things about him and his life then he was gay. I guess to TLDR: There willing to ignore every other aspect about his life.

    To go back to gaming there was that semi prequel thing to I think it was Never Winter Nights, and one of the writers was so proud of having made a trans character for that universe, to which I see nothing wrong with that, could actually be a interesting character. Then it came out, and that character (along with a handful of established characters if I recall) had some of the worst writing in it, where that trans character wasn't really a character but more like a case of extreme tokenism, not to mention every line for this character basically boiled down to "Hey I'm Trans, did you know I'm trans, this reminds me of the time I transitioned" or something along those lines, to which I recall the writer being called out on it. Granted I am talking about a game I haven't played, nor one that I typically play in that genre, hell I might not even have the right franchise (think the last CRPG I played was some old Edios game that looked like a spin off of Legacy of Kain)



  • @tokyoslim said in The Naughty Dog Agenda:

    If there's a discussion in here, you're gonna have to stop throwing around code words like "PC nonsense" and "SJW agenda" and say what you mean. If you're so comfortable in your beliefs, just say them out loud and own it.

    Are you mad that Ellie is a woman? Are you mad that this woman character happens to be a lesbian, and is therefore not expressly created to sexually titillate you? Are you mad that she kills men? Does that bother you? What is the ACTUAL issue? Must all games and all developers cater to the tastes of you specifically? Let's have an honest talk and unpack aaaaallll the gross shit we're dancing around here.

    Spit it out!

    Political correctness is just that, political correctness. Nothing really to elaberate on that, not in this case anyway.

    I simply shared what I considered to be an interesting video for those interested, there was never any interest in sparking a huge debate, though I have enjoyed some of the responses to what was said in the video. The video says everything I have to say, any issues presented there are things I just happen to also agree with.

    Sadly though, some people just can't help but hurl the personal insults, I'm glad I didn't engage further to be honest.

    I'm a sad, lonely man-child who hates women and needs to grow up. I also get off to lewd anime apparently. I'm happy leaving it at that.



  • @tokyoslim Fair point, it was a bit much. I was shit with women until my wife took pity on me.
    But as you said the world owes you nothing there is no point taking it out in other people. As for answers everyone got to find their own path.



  • @dmcmaster said in The Naughty Dog Agenda:

    With that said there are times where I feel that focusing on one single aspect of a character or person that I think people start to miss the point.

    None of which Naughty Dog has shown to be guilty of doing. Ellie's defining characteristic is not that she's gay, or a woman. In that trailer, her defining characteristic is that she's become so hardened by her experiences that she's a violent monster so bent on revenge that people should fear being on the wrong side of her. Anyone focusing on the kiss over that is reaching, imo.

    As I mentioned to a friend on facebook the small controversy over the Freddie Mercury movie with people basically saying he wasn't gay enough in the ONE single trailer that has been released for it was pathetic, since 1. its a 2 minute trailer meant to get you amped up for a biopic about one of the greatest musical talents that passed on way too soon. (off topic, seriously hope they release a album of mashed together Queen music, as that was awesome) and 2. There was far, far more to Freddie then just him being gay, completely forgetting he was one talented artist, with many, many more amazing things about him and his life then he was gay.

    This is kind of ignoring the whole continuing saga about this film starting off as a Freddie Mercury bio pic and some of the other members of Queen allegedly pressuring the film makers to not talk about his gayness to the point where Sacha Baron Cohen left the project over creative differences and it turned into a movie about Queen as a whole . And I'm a huge Queen fan. Freddie Mercury's queerness was a huge force of inspiration in his life and a factor in his death. I think that's where a lot of the backlash comes from. Not specifically from the 2 minutes you see in the trailer.



  • @sheria

    So basically: "I'm not actually making threads and posting on this forum (definition: a public meeting place for open discussion) to actually discuss things, i'm just here to post garbage to rile up people and then piss off when i'm called out on my bullshit!"


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