Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned



    1. I'm on-board with this. I was blown away by the constant stream of hate speech in Black Ops 3 when I played it for free last month with PS+. One full hour of gameplay was one full hour of n-words and death threats. It made me not want to play with these psychopaths.

    2. An auto-ban might be a bit much considering as a kid, I would goof around with friends and now all somebody has to do to screw over their friend is write a racial slur and fuck their whole account up. Friends are gonna troll each other with this while the other goes to the bathroom.


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    @mbun But a lot of what you're saying is pure assumption/speculation. You're basically making it sound like all automated processes are bad which clearly is not the case. The vast majority of things we interact with every single day is automated. Comparing how rainbow Six deals with toxic communities and how youtube and twitch flag copyright is completely different methods and systems.

    And this is exactly why something like this is dropped far in advance of any live event type scenario so that after all the testing they can see how it works in the wild and adjust depending on the data they get.



  • I for one am looking forward to all the angry black RB6 players who are used to casually yell the n-word at each other, like rap music and thug culture taught them, to get banned.



  • Have they actually outlined what constitutes hate speech for them? One of many issues I have with the matter is that there seems to be no clearly defined rules. There's people today that seem to get offended and hurt by the most pathetic of things, words (comments) being near the top.



  • @musou-tensei said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    I for one am looking forward to all the angry black RB6 players who are used to casually yell the n-word at each other, like rap music and thug culture taught them, to get banned.

    Not just them, I'll call a friend a cunt or faggot in the heat of the moment quite often, but it's always jovial in nature.

    Such a shame that the saying "sticks and stones", which I was taught young, is just so impossible to follow for people these days.



  • @tokeeffe9 said:

    But a lot of what you're saying is pure assumption/speculation. You're basically making it sound like all automated processes are bad which clearly is not the case.

    I mean, I gave clear examples of automation gone wrong already being used today, so I don't think you can dismiss what I said as "pure assumption/speculation".

    The vast majority of things we interact with every single day is automated.

    Most of these have human checks at some level.

    Comparing how rainbow Six deals with toxic communities and how youtube and twitch flag copyright is completely different methods and systems.

    Of course they're different systems, but they're both concrete examples of automation systems that establish why additional checks are needed beyond them running wild on their own.

    so that after all the testing they can see how it works in the wild and adjust depending on the data they get

    Or they don't care because it works "well enough" so the user gets screwed over and has to jump through hoops whenever it doesn't work as intended, which is basically the best case scenario for this kind of thing. Like I said before, the worst case scenario is it works too well and they can start banning users for saying anything negative about their game, anything political they don't agree with, mentioning other games they're directly competing with, etc.


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    @el-shmiablo said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    @dmcmaster I honestly haven't participated in open chat in years.
    I'm either in a party chat with friends or mute everyone out of the gate.

    They probably realize that the only people still participating in publuc open chat are either trolls who should be banned or children who shouldn't be playing the game anyway.

    Public (team)voice chat is very important in tactical team games like CSGO, R6:Siege and even Overwatch.



  • @mcgeezaks I literally never play R6 without my friends. Even with voice, 9 times out of 10 you will end up with complete mental defectives if you join a public game solo.
    Overwatch has pretty good text voice options. All I ever really need to do in OW is tell people when my ult is ready anyway.


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    @sheria If that's actually how you talk to your friends, I really don't know what you're doing here.

    Who exactly are you trying to fool with "in the heat of the moment". That and "quite often" don't exactly mix, that's just saying you say it a lot and if I heard that in chat, I couldn't care less how jovial it is, any decent person would report that crap.


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    @mbun Again, I feel like we're being extremely broad in how we're lambasted automated services so I'd like to just mention how great it is we can use our credit card by just waving them over a machine, pay bills without interacting with a single person, get a list of recommendations based on the things we watch on netflix, listen to on spotify, going through a toll and paying later or paying from a previous registration, using Amazon Alexa or google maps, I could go on

    Also, I just want to make sure, you did read the article?

    These bans seem to last for 27 minutes on first instance, and prevent playing any aspect of Siege, including Terrorist Hunt or custom games. Upon second and third offense, the ban increases to 2 hours. After the third offense, an official investigation into the account is conducted that could lead to a permanent ban, per the Siege Code of Conduct.

    This isn't exactly some system which instantly permanently bans a user and there absolutely is a human check.



  • @tokeeffe9 said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    @sheria If that's actually how you talk to your friends, I really don't know what you're doing here.

    Who exactly are you trying to fool with "in the heat of the moment". That and "quite often" don't exactly mix, that's just saying you say it a lot and if I heard that in chat, I couldn't care less how jovial it is, any decent person would report that crap.

    A "decent" person lol. This is the last I'm going to say on the matter, but if you honestly get triggered every time you hear a rude word, that's hilarious. You'd be a ton of fun on a night out, you really would. Seriously, loosen up mate.

    I will say though, I'm not sure if there is such a thing, but I am in agreement of creating adult and children options for online play. (games in general that is, children shouldn't be playing R6)



  • @tokeeffe9 said:

    I'd like to just mention how great it is we can use our credit card by just waving them over a machine, pay bills without interacting with a single person

    Which is why we need identity fraud protection services today to check when that gets abused and the ability to check our account's status constantly ourselves.

    get a list of recommendations based on the things we watch on netflix, listen to on spotify

    Neither of these ever give me good recommendations. Half the time I get annoyed at how off the stuff they think I'd like is.

    going through a toll and paying later or paying from a previous registration

    Sure I guess, but that's about as fancy as an old-fashioned bar tab and isn't usually open to the same problems this other automation is.

    using Amazon Alexa

    Never used it, but I've seen the videos where it hears the wrong thing and then starts rattling off porn categories in front of your children, so I probably never would.

    or google maps

    This feels so far off from the original point of the conversation as it is just GPS reading out a map, but even if we counted it, Google Maps suffers from things like listing routes that don't account for closed toll roads, roads that shut down seasonally, ferries, etc. which means you can drive hours out of your way and get there just to find out you have to go back and around an area, because at that time of day the ferry isn't running, which yet again is an example of why you need human checks around these sorts of things. They'll never be perfect on their own.

    there absolutely is a human check

    Good. There needs to be. I still think this is a bad direction in general compared to a good old fashioned report system, and since the first two and possibly third bans happen at "time of offense", then I still see it as a problem. Article makes it hard to tell if you're banned during the period of their investigation or not, and if you are then that means you're unable to play until "they get to your case" which could take ages, even if you didn't do anything wrong. I've played games before where I've had to sit on a customer support ticket for over a year to get resolved, because a server hiccuped and lost possessions of mine, but at least during that time I could continue to play the game.

    Heck, I remember recently seeing the thread of someone on this very forum complaining about something on Twitch going wrong recently and their account keeps getting randomly banned. Least that seems very rare now, but the more these systems get used, the more people who will have to deal with that kind of stuff, and it is always the user who gets screwed over and has to work to get their account back. That kind of tedious stuff should always be on the people getting paid to help run and manage the game and it's community as this is their job, so excuse me if I don't sympathize at all with:

    Let's be fair here, that sounds like an awful job, who wants to spend their day, sifting through reports of people being toxic, there are other parts to a job too.

    Then don't do it. Don't take that job if you're not ready to do what it asks of you. Nobody has forced the person to take that type of employment. Lots of people don't enjoy their jobs and find them awful, but the whole point is you're getting paid to do something that needs to be done to maintain a good experience for the user of the product. A user who has already paid to play your game or whatever and shouldn't have to give up their precious free time to deal with the back end of everything themselves just because the people running said product want to save money hiring less real people by automating a large portion of the process.

    Feel free to respond, but starting to feel like we're just not going to agree on this, so maybe the conversation is better not continued. I'm all for bringing down toxicity in games online, but not at the expense of the players. It has always been annoying even just having games that use aggressive chat filters that you have to carefully type around, even when just referring to a weapon in the game like a "bastard sword", but when you open those kinds of filters up to vocal input with bannable consequences behind them, you're really smashing open the can of worms big time.



  • @tokeeffe9 said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    @sheria If that's actually how you talk to your friends, I really don't know what you're doing here.
    Who exactly are you trying to fool with "in the heat of the moment". That and "quite often" don't exactly mix, that's just saying you say it a lot and if I heard that in chat, I couldn't care less how jovial it is, any decent person would report that crap.

    News flash. different people have different kinds of relationships.

    Part of being friends is being able to let loose with people. i will happily sit on the couch playing a round of something like Mario Kart or Mario Party with my friends with us all saying stuff like "fuck off" when one of us takes each other out with a blue shell or "You bastard!" to each other if someone steals a star from someone else in Mario Party.
    meanwhile we're all laughing and having a good time because its a competitive game and the entire tone of that game is that its all in jest.

    you wouldn't see a group of people that all hated each other all sitting together and doing that stuff because that's the point, they hate each other. they are far more likely to just avoid each other all together.

    "any decent person would report that stuff" really?

    and just what exactly is a decent person? because that is COMPLETELY subjective.


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    @el-shmiablo I always play with my friends as well but we were usually just 2-3 people when we used to play CSGO, at least that game pretty much requires you to communicate with the rest of your team via voice, in my experience.



  • @tokeeffe9 said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    any decent person would report that crap.

    Why does this sounds familiar, like I heard about that concept in history class or something?


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    @mbun said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    This feels so far off from the original point of the conversation as it is...

    It is way off the point yes but as I said, so is twitch and youtube copyright. These are all automated services. I'm just making sure you're aware of that. The vast majority of things you use every single day is an automated service. So yes, google maps has nothing to do with ban on Rainbow Six Siege, the same way automated copyright services don't either.

    Article makes it hard to tell if you're banned during the period of their investigation or not, and if you are then that means you're unable to play until "they get to your case" which could take ages, even if you didn't do anything wrong.

    I would say you're absolutely banned.

    Heck, I remember recently seeing the thread of someone on this very forum complaining about something on Twitch going wrong recently and their account keeps getting randomly banned. Least that seems very rare now, but the more these systems get used, the more people who will have to deal with that kind of stuff, and it is always the user who gets screwed over and has to work to get their account back. That kind of tedious stuff should always be on the people getting paid to help run and manage the game and it's community as this is their job, so excuse me if I don't sympathize at all with:

    You're looking at this constantly as if the vast majority of people are affected. It's a minority of people and yes it's an inconvenience but what you're asking for is essentially impossible. The number of users on twitch must be insane right now. You cannot expect them to actually have so much staff to check on dodgy accounts. On top of that, the actual work would just get worse. Sure you can say don't do it if you don't like it but these are people, you get demotivated by doing the same thing everyday. However with an actual good system in place, they're far more equipped to deal with the number of cases that actually involve a human.

    ...to maintain a good experience for the user of the product. A user who has already paid to play your game or whatever and shouldn't have to give up their precious free time to deal with the back end of everything themselves just because the people running said product want to save money hiring less real people by automating a large portion of the process.

    Sure and as a user I don't want to be in an environment that's hostile, racist and homophobic either, those people have paid for the game too. Why should we have to wait for someone who's clearly like that to get banned. How will we even know if they are. With this system in place, I can see instantly, that person has been removed from the game, making my experience a whole lot better.

    Feel free to respond, but starting to feel like we're just not going to agree on this, so maybe the conversation is better not continued. I'm all for bringing down toxicity in games online, but not at the expense of the players. It has always been annoying even just having games that use aggressive chat filters that you have to carefully type around, even when just referring to a weapon in the game like a "bastard sword", but when you open those kinds of filters up to vocal input with bannable consequences behind them, you're really smashing open the can of worms big time.

    I can honestly say I've never in my life had to be careful about what I type on a game chat.


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    @sheria Every time I hear a rude word, no I don't. Every time I hear a racial slur, homophobic comment, things like that. Absolutely I will.


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    @yoshi Great. I said if I saw that in a chat, hence the people saying it would be strangers to me, I would report it.

    And again, if I knew people who were using racial slurs and homophobic terms, we wouldn't be friends. I'm not talking about some standard curse.

    And yes, you're correct, it is subjective. I never said what I say here is fact.



  • @tokeeffe9 said in Rainbow Six Siege players who use slurs are now getting instantly banned:

    Every time I hear a rude word, no I don't. Every time I hear a racial slur, homophobic comment, things like that. Absolutely I will.

    you sound like one of those people who would write angry letters to the writers of comedy cartoon tv shows that have all of those types of things in them.
    shows like South Park, Rick & Morty, Family Guy, etc etc.

    i agree with Sheria. you should lighten up.
    Why so serious all the time?



  • Crying over not getting to call strangers hurtful names and harass them online is so cool. I feel real sorry for people. 8/

    Guess we'll all just have to learn how to express ourselves using big boy words from now on.