Cyperpunk twitter account makes a transphobic joke and apologizes



  • @mbun I am not condemning anyone. I am stating how things work.

    So the person responsible for it's creation needs to bow to some assholes who have twisted their art into something horrible?

    You are the only person who is talking about this person. I have never mentioned them or said anything about them. So your argument is a straw man.

    The entire point of this discussion is about what is appropriate and professional for a PR person to do or say while representing a company.



  • @tokyoslim said:

    So your argument is a straw man.

    How is it a straw man to relate this incident to something similar that has happened with a different meme elsewhere? I am trying to relate this to another example for you.

    The entire point of this discussion is about what is appropriate and professional for a PR person to do or say while representing a company.

    It sounds like you think memes in general should be banned, because any person could have twisted any meme into something horrible, so don't even take the risk. Is that what you're stating is "how things work"?



  • You seem to have no actual refutation or anything to add to the actual topic of discussion, and are continuing to try and sidetrack this into some conversation about society as a whole. I'm not going to engage you in that.

    You continue to propose that I'm insinuating things about the creators of memes or their original intentions or alternate applications of them. None of that is remotely relevant as you've presented them to whether or not a person who's job it is to write official Cyberpunk tweets handled something poorly on a professional level or not. So, good talk?

    I'd rather be discussing news in this topic right now over politics.

    See, this is a BUSINESS discussion. That's where you're going wrong. :)



  • @tokyoslim said:

    You seem to have no actual refutation or anything to add to the actual topic of discussion, and are continuing to try and sidetrack this into some conversation about society as a whole. I'm not going to engage you in that.

    You continue to propose that I'm insinuating things about the creators of memes or their original intentions or alternate applications of them. None of that is remotely relevant as you've presented them

    I'm trying to show you that memes, like books, film, music, etc. often have their original meanings twisted after they come into existence, and express my opinion that just because some find ways to misuse them, that society as a whole shouldn't look at them simply for those darker connotations that become attached along the way, which I find directly relevant to this conversation as a whole. If you don't and don't want to discuss this, I won't force you, but it is rude for you to accuse me of straw manning when I think this is part of the discussion at hand.

    whether or not a person who's job it is to write official Cyberpunk tweets handled something poorly on a professional level or not

    That's also part of the conversation, but we seem to disagree on that front, which is why I'm relating this outside incident to this one to show you how an innocent meme can become a harmful one to cause an incident such as this, and how this could occur completely outside the view of the person using the meme in a way that intended no harm from the beginning. If you reject that stance, that's at least a take, but acting like I'm spitting nonsense to derail the convo is disheartening when I'm trying to find ways to relate my stance on the incident to you.

    See, this is a BUSINESS discussion. That's where you're going wrong. :)

    Feels more like an excuse to shove politics here, not that this case in particular was that, just classifying it that way. I do think this was worth discussing, but I think more for the fact that someone on ResetEra dox'd the dude to shame them publically and whether or not people should associate with places that allow and sometimes encourage such extreme practices to take place. Hopefully this proves to be an outlier case as that forum is still young, and hopefully that poster is banned.



  • In the context of a PR person representing a company, none of any of what you said matters. I am not arguing that innocent memes, language, and iconography don't get twisted or corrupted. I have pointed out repeatedly that it's quite literally the job of the person tweeting the official tweets of Cyberpunk to know and avoid using any of them, as it could potentially lead to bad press and a backlash (as it did). The person who wrote that apology could have done that better too.

    I am not arguing that creators should be held responsible for people misusing their art. I am arguing that CDPR should get better PR people. I am I am explaining very patiently to everyone who thinks this job is "impossible" that thousands and thousands of companies do this every second of every day. That's it. It's a literal thing that people go to school for and do for work.

    It's a hard job. My company has a PR person and we don't make as much money or have as many people looking at us as CDPR.

    If CDPR has an unqualified programmer or intern or something doing their official tweets, this is the reason you DON'T do that.



  • @tokyoslim said:

    I am arguing that CDPR should get better PR people.

    Real talk, I feel like this is just a more polite way to ask the person be fired.

    It's a hard job. My company has a PR person and we don't make as much money

    That's why we should sympathize when mistakes happen as long as they own up to them, as they have.



  • @mbun said in That's News!:

    I feel like this is just a more polite way to ask the person be fired.

    I'm not asking anything. CDPR can hire whomever they want. If they hire Peter Molyneux to direct their next game, I'd probably say "You should get someone better".

    I don't think they are particularly focused on PR, and I think they are a big enough company now that they should be.



  • @axel said in That's News!:

    If some people feel like that's not good enough and want to hold a grudge against the company because of that, whatever, it's their call.
    But doxing and campaigning for anyone to be fired over this IS extreme, absurd and unacceptable (ironically, these are gamergaters tactics).
    And the problem with internet is that this one person who did this, even though as you explained they were pretty much universally condemned, will still contribute to giving a bad name to the very community that was a victim in the first place.

    I agree with all of this.



  • @tokyoslim said:

    I don't think they are particularly focused on PR, and I think they are a big enough company now that they should be.

    Now this I can agree with. I'd rather see the person responsible have a team or larger team formed around them to work with on future tweets to make sure they're proper before they go out than fired for this, which would only give the individual a reason to hate the involved groups.



  • Top quality discussion guys! I learned something.



  • So apparently Rest Era has also harassed a trans games journalist for basically no agreeing with the hive mind (note I've yet to fully read her response on this but once off work ill read it)
    Note, like I said this was probably going to be a story to keep an eye on. Will post own thoughts once I have more the 5 minutes free.
    Youtube Video


  • Banned

    i would just like to say that i agree with @Sheria

    this is non-news and does not deserve a thread



  • @david-berishaj It was put in a thread because it was dominating the That's News thread.



  • @dmcmaster See there lies the real issue for me. I would say the joke probably shouldn't have been tweeted from a company account, but it looks like these people have decided how trans people should feel about it and have elevated that over their real feelings. I don't see how you can claim to be defending them when you attack them for not agreeing with you.. especially when its over a relatively benign issue. Its kind of delegitimizes their whole crusade in my opinion

    Now as for the "did you assume my gender" thing.. to me (and I think to those who would use it as a joke) it represents those who expect 99.9% of the population to be hip to the intricacies of something that has only recently started to be discussed in the mainstream. I'm sure being misgendered can be hurtful and I know there are real assholes out there but responding like that assumes their intent when instead you could educate them on your situation and help them realize their mistake.

    Also I wish people would stop accusing every little thing of "fill in the blank - phobia". The joke may be inappropriate for a company account but there's no evidence of actual transphobia there. You're watering down the definition



  • @dmcmaster said in Cyperpunk twitter account makes a transphobic joke and apologizes:

    Rest Era has also harassed a trans games journalist for basically no agreeing with the hive mind

    OR: ResetEra bans Daily Mail contributor for anti-trans commenting, which violates their terms of service agreement. Seems like you're trying to spin things pretty hard man.

    I think we should avoid making this a "ResetEra did X thing thread".



  • When stuff like this is still super common in our society, companies should be really fucking careful what they post on their social media channels. This has nothing to do with "Outrage" or "PC" culture, Transgender individuals are being threatened on a daily basis, CDPR is just enabling this behavior and is downplaying the very real struggle.



  • @david-berishaj The fact it's regarding a very prominent company in the games industry and has over 50 posts suggests otherwise.

    If you have no interest in the topic, you don't need to check out that topic.



  • @tokeeffe9 at least half of those posts are mine though. :p



  • I haven't contributed much to this topic because honestly I'm tired of hearing the same excuses from the same people over and over.
    "They should just get over it."
    "Everybody is so offended these days."
    "Its all part of the SJW agenda."
    If you have legitimately thought any of these thoughts, you can fuck right off into the sun because you are a trash human who lacks basic human empathy.
    I have two trans siblings, and you wouldn't believe the shit they go through on a daily basis.
    I live in Halifax, which I would consider a pretty liberal province, and I still witness some pretty sickening shit. Saw somebody nearly get assaulted on the bus home for no other reason than what they were wearing.


  • Banned

    They should get over it, anyone who says otherwise is a fucking waste of space who should jump off the next bridge they see.