Censorship topic (out of the news thread)



  • @guthwulf

    The point I was trying to make is that the characters in games like HoneySelect or VR Kanojo can easily be seen as adults. Those games (especially HoneySelect) are sandboxes that allow for a wide variety of fetishes to be shown/used/explored, this includes younger looking characters as there are adults who are into the teenage look, or are attracted to petite adult woman. The idea that the people who do the latter two are pedophiles (which is what I had thought you were referring to with your last paragraph) is a bit presumptuous. My mistake if that isn't what you had meant, I had just woken up when I posted that.



  • @luka said in Censorship topic (out of the news thread):

    @guthwulf

    The point I was trying to make is that the characters in games like HoneySelect or VR Kanojo can easily be seen as adults. Those games (especially HoneySelect) are sandboxes that allow for a wide variety of fetishes to be shown/used/explored, this includes younger looking characters as there are adults who are into the teenage look, or are attracted to petite adult woman. The idea that the people who do the latter two are pedophiles (which is what I had thought you were referring to with your last paragraph) is a bit presumptuous. My mistake if that isn't what you had meant, I had just woken up when I posted that.

    No problem. My english is not the best and that might also be a factor for misunderstandings.

    To your point: Sure everything "can" be seen as adults, tousand years old fantasy beings or adult npc actors in a roleplay. But as always it is not black & white. There is a grey zone between extremes which is worth discussing. Some cases within there (see my examples) disturb me personally. Others (like a Loli race in a fantasy rpg or young looking characters in something like a waifu collector) I find totally fine. The difference for me is the received "message" (of the game) and the "intention" (of the player). Both points are somewhat subjective (therefore grey zone). And i wanted to show examples in the western market with allow or at least strongly suggest the interpretation that - for example - sex with a child is positive and even desirable.

    For me VR Kanojo depicts fairly obvious sex with a child (in this case young school girl). In porn movies there is at least still the difference between character vs. actor and also the explicit stated intention that the depicted character is at least 18 and therefore "barely legal" ("teen porn" usually explicit states that for exactly these legal reasons in the title, description or dialogue). VR Kanojo leaves the intention for the characters open and all the signs point for me to the the opposite of an "maybe just 18 but at least legal age".

    Something similar with Honey Select whose editor allows (without mods) characters who look like 6 year old girls. Here the "intention" of the player who creates and shares a character is more important than the games "message" (sex with my characters is positive and desirable). Sure, many of these "young looking" characters might be intended as young looking "barely legal" adult characters or as magical beings with an even longer lifespan. But the game also allows the other intention (creating and sharing a young looking character as underaged kid for the purpose of having sex with it).

    So both games for me are examples of officially in the western market released games who depict or at least strongly suggest exactly the kind of acts, who you claimed would never be allowed in the west. That was all...



  • @guthwulf I would disagree with that final statement. Pedophilic games are still not allowed in the west. As we had already gone over, one's perception of something is vastly different than the reality. You are perceiving the games as containing pedophilic content, despite the reality of the situation that it doesn't - if it was the game would be banned for sale in the west. You continue to claim that the character from VR Kanojo is a "young school girl", despite already showing that a.) the artstyle can greatly affect how old someone looks and b.) actual adult women who can look as young or younger exist in real life, and c.) there is many who enjoy teenage (18+)/School Girl fetishes as shown by the yearly PornHub reports (among others). That does not indicate a child, nor does that indicate pedophilia. The same goes for the creation of characters in Honey Select whose creation tools could allow you to create a vast array of horrifying monstrosities that you could "have sex" with, or pose in the character studio (which seems to be a highly popular thing, the more research I do on this particular title).



  • @luka
    There's been a lot of back and forth on this issue but I was just wondering (don't know if you stated it before) but how do you feel about Sony's right to control what they sell to the public? Regardless of what these games do/don't do show/don't show it's their right to control what they provide to their customers, no?



  • @themarcv
    While it is Sony's decision, it feels extremely odd for the sudden heel turn on this, especially since it seems like alot of developers didn't get the memo until the last minute, or requiring Japanese devs (and I assume devs from Poland, or Ukraine, ect) to submit to a inquiry, and in a language that said devs might not have a major grasp on.
    I mean hell Omega Labyrinth Z is the perfect example of just how out of nowhere the news came to devs, as the games translation was about finished, had all the marketing material ready to go, was rated by the ESRB, and then out of nowhere they have to cancel it as a last minute change happens at Sony.



  • @themarcv Pretty much what DMCMaster stated. Add to the fact that many of the games that are being censored were already M rated games, featuring content much less graphical, violent, or sexual than games that are already on the platform (Witcher 3, Red Dead Redemption 2, The Last of Us, etc).



  • I'm glad Sony is starting to curate their store more to get rid of the trash. Hopefully MS and Nintendo will follow suit.



  • ill always be anti censorship when it ruins game content. Im glad Nintendo seems to be backing away from its old censorship problems from last gen (xenoblade x, #FE, Bravely Default). When nintendo stops trying to be my parent they are way better. also idk if microsoft ever has censored but i bet its easier due to Japanese games are usually the ones that push the envelope and they dont get many japanese games.



  • @exist-2-inspire One man's trash is another man's treasure.



  • I was upset that REVII was censored in Japan but there wasn't much of a fuss when it happened last year.



  • @bigdude1 said:

    idk if microsoft ever has censored but i bet its easier due to Japanese games are usually the ones that push the envelope and they dont get many japanese games

    I bet they have, but it would mostly be censoring overly violent games being released in Japan. To say that Japanese games are usually the ones that push the envelope is inaccurate, because you're coming at that conclusion from a western perspective where you don't see violence as something that pushes the envelope often, so you only see the sexual games as the ones getting censored. Whereas the truth is violent games from the west often also need to have things censored to be acceptable releases in places like Japan, Germany, Australia, etc. That said, I think Xbox is a small market in Japan, so the violent games we have might just never be released there period. I don't closely follow that stuff to know for sure.

    @Hanabi Was going to type the same thing. Way too easy of a setup.

    @iboshow From Japan or from our forums? We're not predominantly Japanese users, so it just isn't an issue that effects us much. I wonder if Japan got upset about it, but it they didn't guess it just shows that much like the people here who are neutral or noncaring about sexual content censorship, many Japanese people are neutral or noncaring about gratuitous violence censorship. Just cultural differences. China, on the other hand, has a way different situation and reason for the things getting censored, so I figure you're bound to see much more outrage over that.



  • @exist-2-inspire I think they all should go one better and permanently lock you out of certain things, like sending images or mic chat, if you've ever purchased any of these pathetic "games".





  • @luka said in Censorship topic (out of the news thread):

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    Don't take the bait.



  • @sheria I'm not. I just find it hilarious how silly they act - literally no different than a cartoon.





  • Taiwanese Horror Game “Devotion” Review Bombed for Mocking Chinese President Xi Jinping

    Game in question has been removed from Steam since this article was published.

    Posting this here too since honestly I kinda forgot this thread existed.



  • Hey, remember that thing about China I posted earlier? You guys get it yet? It has nothing to do with what is appropriate, it has to do with what will make the most money. Our hobby, by and large, has its content provided for by publicly trade and other for profit entities.



  • I also think that it is less an example of how censorship effects games and more how a totalitarian regime effects an indoctrinated peoples.



  • What a pathetically simple way of seeing the issue. The typical, narrow minded sight of a liberal.

    Mod Edit - User has been warned