The PS5/PlayStation Next/NeoStation/PS Neu/Whatever





  • @mbun Not sure why you posted that. Try to stay on topic and avoid the spam, please.
    :)



  • @ezekiel said in The PS5/PlayStation Next/NeoStation/PS Neu/Whatever:

    All this news is like whatever to me.

    Same controller again means I'm still gonna play the majority of multiplatform games with a mouse and keyboard.

    I'm not looking forward to developers wasting even more space not bothering to compress anything on the 100 GB discs. It will mean longer install times and more bandwidth for virtually identical looking and sounding assets. Red Dead 2 doesn't even have the texture quality to justify the 150 GB on PC. What's GTA VI gonna take up on PC with the added storage on consoles? 200 GB? 250? These developers are so irresponsible. On the other hand, I'm glad the UHD disc market will grow a little bit, which means a few more catalog movies every year. I say "a little" because most people stream now, and if they didn't want to get a UHD player before, I doubt many of them will start buying UHD movies now that their console can play them.

    Will probably stick with PC and Nintendo going forward. Sony bored me this gen, with a few exceptions like Gravity Rush Remastered, Until Dawn and the Shadow of the Colossus remake (the type of game they would never greenlight today). Bloodborne, despite being my least favorite Souls game, was good too. But I wouldn't buy a console for cinematic emotional walk and talk action games like Naughty Dog's stuff (not bad, but discount titles), and fuck the new God of War direction. I never even played more than a few hours of Spider-Man, and even less of Infamous: Second Son. Horizon was okay, Ratchet and Clank was okay (never finished it), Gravity Rush 2 was disappointing (never finished it)... I haven't played that many exclusives and already feel done with the existing PS4 titles. I just find myself having way more fun with Nintendo's more traditional games.

    I definitely don't agree with everything you've said, but yeah, the news so far hasn't done anything for me either. The PS4's been a really good console for me personally, but I must say, past the PS2, Sony's higher profile exclusives do seem to be getting worse. I think Microsoft is going to be the one I personally drop next generation.

    What I'd like to know about the most is how it's handling backwards compatibility, not because I really want to use my PS4 discs on the system (I don't sell my consoles) but because I feel it will give some foresight into just how bogged down the library will be with unnecessary ports of everything again.

    I just wanted to say I enjoyed reading your opinions though. Not everyone around here thinks that just because someone's opinions are generally negative, that means they are trolling.



  • @sheria said in The PS5/PlayStation Next/NeoStation/PS Neu/Whatever:

    Not everyone around here thinks that just because someone's opinions are generally negative, that means they are trolling.

    Such true and wise words.
    🙏



  • One thing I've heard is that we'll actually be able to decide what gets installed to the SSD, so if you only want just the multiplayer portion of some game, or just the single player. Which will be great in the event we can't swap out the SSD (custom built SSD makes me believe we might not be able to upgrade the SSD)



  • @dmcmaster I think you can already do that with some games already.
    I got TLoU Remastered and it asked me which (singleplayer or multiplayer) do I want to be installed first.



  • @thedemonpirate I think what he means is we'll get to select what is installed where, so if you wanted super fast loading for multiplayer stuff you could install straight to the SSD while you install the rest of the game to an external.



  • @sheria
    For backwards compatibility I've heard there will be a combination of three things.

    1. Plays and operates like standard PS4 software.
    2. Some games (probably a handful of select games) will get patches when played on PS5 that will will still use the same assets as the PS4 version, but can better make use of the hardware, let's say playing Spider-man, Dad of Boy, Death Stranding and other late gen PS4 games (and maybe a few earlier titles) at 4K60fps with crazy fast load times.
    3. Some games will get remasters that will fully take advantage of the new hardware, as for what this last one could entail hard to say at this point (Ray tracing in Spiderman? )

    And that's to say nothing of PS1-3 BC and what improvements they could see (probably just stupid fast load times and some upscaled resolutions)



  • @thedemonpirate
    On PS4 it still downloads the whole game , it just ask which do you want to prioritize. If anything PS5 will include something that the Halo Collection has (after a major update) where you can pick weather you want just the single player elements or multiplayer elements of each game.



  • @dmcmaster said in The PS5/PlayStation Next/NeoStation/PS Neu/Whatever:

    @sheria
    For backwards compatibility I've heard there will be a combination of three things.

    1. Plays and operates like standard PS4 software.
    2. Some games (probably a handful of select games) will get patches when played on PS5 that will will still use the same assets as the PS4 version, but can better make use of the hardware, let's say playing Spider-man, Dad of Boy, Death Stranding and other late gen PS4 games (and maybe a few earlier titles) at 4K60fps with crazy fast load times.
    3. Some games will get remasters that will fully take advantage of the new hardware, as for what this last one could entail hard to say at this point (Ray tracing in Spiderman? )

    Sounds ok. For 3. I've always been more than happy with their previous solutions. PS2 had the disc Speed and texture smoothing options, the PS3 original had upscaling/smoothing and the PS4 Pro has the boost mode . Dropping remasters altogether and simply leaving it with something like that would be the most ideal for me.



  • Yeah making the next generation of consoles BC with the current one shouldn't be too difficult a task considering it's all still X86 anyway.



  • @ezekiel said in The PS5/PlayStation Next/NeoStation/PS Neu/Whatever:

    I'm not looking forward to developers wasting even more space not bothering to compress anything on the 100 GB discs.

    To be fair, the SSD might resolve this specific issue. Allegedly, devs are duplicating the same data information to make a HDD read the data faster so load times aren't too long. With an SSD they don't have to duplicate so many things, if anything, because an SSD will just find the data faster.

    I wasn't aware of this workaround until last week but that is a reason why games have had large sizes last gen. Even PC games for that matter. My 250GB SSD was like $300 in 2016 and a lot of people still use HDD + SSD on PC to save money.



  • @dmcmaster

    For option 3: JUST NO! Stop it! Use that backward compatibility with option 1 and 2 and that's it. Don't sell the same game again!



  • @el-shmiablo ps4 does recognize ps3 and ps2 games it just says it dosnt support them



  • @ff7cloud I specifically mean with PS4. Unless Sony wants to go out of their way to use a new architecture, the PS5 will be X86 as well which means it should be too difficult to make PS4 games natively compatible.



  • @scotty
    Like I said just something I've heard, and will probably have to ask what kind of things can and can't be done thru a patch. That said at this point it's all just rumor and speculation.



  • Ok if this is true and we can use our PS1-4 disc PS5 will be a beast of a BC platform and probably a streamers dream machine
    https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/10/16/ps5-playstation-5-backwards-compatibility/



  • @dmcmaster

    I would cry if it’s true. My new Samsung TV doesn’t have any old ports, only HDMI. So I now can’t even use my PS2 or GameCube. I am really close to picking up a Tube TV from a coworker, but I don’t want a big honkin’ CRT in my small apartment if possible.

    I’d be buying old games again if this is true. My PS3 is still hooked up because of the BC features.



  • @dipset
    Look up the Hyperkin HDMI cables, thier like $30 and not the best solution (image is a bit dark) but they are a damn blessing



  • @dmcmaster

    If they put PS3 BC without streaming shit I would be so frickin happy about it. That's the dream one.