How about Game of the Decade?
Chocobop last edited by Chocobop
If we stick to just to a single round of voting, is there a problem with voting for more than 10 entries/ranking more 25 entries? I feel that since we are submitting our individual lists from a predetermined pool of games it is much easier to submit a larger list -- there's just a lot less faffing about and a lot more games that you are itching to include. If the average person has 5 games they really root for from each year, they would have 50 games they are rooting for overall. Cutting this number in half, say, suggests that submissions of 25 games could work without that person running out of favorites. I'd be in favor.
As for ranking more than 25 entries, I'm not sure at what point it becomes impractical and/or at what point there is just a trickle of points to make the higher ranks less meaningful. That said, to make posting the results more practical I wouldn't be opposed to "grouped countdowns" where instead of counting down the winners one by one, the countdown groups together 5 or 10 games into one post until we reach the top 25 or whatever. So it might be like:
- post 1: winners for 45th-36th spots
- post 2: winners for 35th-26th spots
- post 3: winner for 25th spot
- post 4: winner for the 24rd spot
Whether we need those higher spots or not might be a decision best deferred until all votes are in. Then a cutoff can be chosen around where the points sort of flatten out too much.
Shoulderguy last edited by Shoulderguy
I would be okay with voting for 25 games. Would it be something like this:
Top 10 (11-2 points), 15 Honorable Mentions (1pt) - 80 points per person
That way Top 10 still has more significance.
Edit: Actually, now that I think about it. Having to sort 25 games from everyone seems like a lot of work for @Axel. Maybe 5 honorable mentions is more practical.
Axel last edited by Axel
Since we're approaching the end of our GOTY 2010 reveal, it's time to think again about what's next: the Game of the 2010s!
As we discussed before, the only games eligible would be those who made the top 25 of each year (with only a top 20 in the case of two years).
I agree that voting for only 5 or 8 games would be pretty limiting, with such a wide range of beloved eligible games. I feel like a sweet spot would be 15 or 20 games.
I'm afraid to go higher than that because some people would then struggle to provide a full list (there are years when people tell me they can only name one or two games).
With that said, I'm suggesting the following: you will rank your top 15 games + 5 optional honorable mentions. Hopefully this is an achievable number for everyone.
In terms of scoring, I want to do things a bit differently. We could say #1 gets 20pts, #2 gets 19pts, ... until #20 gets 1pt. However, that means the #1 spot gets 20 times more points than the last spot. In other words, a game could get 19 honorable mentions and be ranked below a game that got a single #1 spot. Doesn't feel right.
In order to curb this difference, I'd like to suggest the following:
- #1 gets 25 points, #2 gets 20 points. The top spot gets a clear distinction from the rest of the pack.
- The 5 honorable mentions get 5 points each (so the top spot gets 5 times more points than a HM, rather than 20 times).
- Every game in between is separated by 1 point, with the exception of 2 points between #15 and the HMs, to reflect the importance of making the top 15.
How does all of that sound?
Shoulderguy last edited by
Sounds good to me.
I think the 5 to 1 (HM to #1) ratio works well for the normal GOTY. It should work well here.
Sentinel Beach last edited by
This sounds MASSIVE in a great way, let's go for it! Can't wait to struggle with putting my favourites in order. :) That'll be something.
The point system should be pretty solid now with that suggested score board, thumbs up.
Sazime last edited by
Oooooo! I'm totally down for this. How many total listed picks are you thinking? The regular 25, or might the list get padded out a bit, given the possible 250 titles?
Yoshi last edited by
Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition would win if it came out last decade though.
@sazime Hard to tell now if we'll end up with a top 25, or a top 50, or more. Will depend on how many people vote, how the votes are spread, etc.
I'm hoping for a top 50 but we'll see how it pans out!
Chocobop last edited by Chocobop
I think the instinct about not making the lowest value a "1" is right on the money, but this seems like a weird solution to that end. I'm still happy with it, but I wouldn't mind seeing the points even further simplified into, say, 3 tiers (top 5, middle ranks 6-15, and then bottom 16-20), with the points being the same within a tier. The lack of finer distinctions won't shift the results too often when the end tally is the sum of so many people providing inputs. But it makes it easier to think about and acknowledges that for anyone's individual list, there won't be a precise pattern to how much each entry is liked above the next.
If we don't like tiers, I also like the idea of just having the points vary from 25 points down to 6 points, or even more compressed like 30 points down to 11 points.
Basically, I think one should be cautious about each additional formula embellishment that minimizes the impact of "number of votes" in order to emphasize "how high was it voted". The formula is going to be forgotten once results start rolling in, and at the margins more people are happier with the overall community list when the more popular games win.
Hazz3r last edited by
@chocobop From my understanding, @Axel 's suggestion is meant to emphasise the impact of number of votes. He's saying that a game that is voted for by five people should always be at least equal to a game voted for by one person, no matter how highly that game is listed by the one person.
I definitely want to majority of my list to be ordered.
@chocobop I'm not in favour of tiers because I think ranking the games is something most people enjoy, and only splitting them into 3 or 4 groups wouldn't be as satisfying (and agonizing). We would also probably end up with a lot more draws, if there's only 3 or 4 different amounts of points a game can receive.
Having the points decrease linearly from 25 to 6 is almost the same as what I'm suggesting, except it would remove the distinction between HMs and the games that made your top 15. And the top game getting a bigger point bump over second place. I find it "cleaner" to have the points range between 5 and 25 rather than 6 and 25 too, just OCD things :)
So I gathered all the eligible games into one big list, and out of curiosity highlighted the ones I have personally played, and I got 90! So I'll have to pick 20 out of those 90, this is going to be more heartbreaking than ever!
DIPSET last edited by
I feel like I played a ton of games in this decade (high school / early university) but I honestly don’t know if I have fully completed 20 of them.
This is going to be hard in the opposite direction. I want to fill out 20 games but I also want to pick ones I’ve given more than a fair shake.
bam541 last edited by bam541
I'm down for this. I pretty much got my top 15 already, if the games I'm thinking of are on the list.
Brannox last edited by
I'm completely fine with the process, point system, et. al., but I just wanted to be explicitly clear: The ONLY games that are eligible are the ones that made the GOTY threads right? As in, we can't just pick our own personal games that didn't make any of those lists? If that is the case it limits my choices and I just want to know what I'm able to work with. If there is an applicable master file of all eligible games, that would also be of great help.
bard91 last edited by bard91
I now have to say that not being able to vote for Katana Zero would be a blow to my new found love for my favorite 2D game.
I also find 10 games per list to be a bit low for each list, but that's not a big deal.
DIPSET last edited by DIPSET
And I know there was some squabble above about the fact that under no circumstances will anybody EVER be fully prepared to vote on this list considering we all have busy lives and won't be able to ever cross a decade of games off our lists, but are we considering any catch up time before voting begins?
I want to give a few heavy hitters like Mass Effect 2 their honest shake before I cast my votes. I have a feeling like some opinions of mine changed with time. And once I see the list in full, about 20-30 days would be a nice buffer before voting. I'll go with the flow either way.
Chocobop last edited by
On a related note, something about the voting pool being constrained to a predetermined list makes me want to be looser in casting votes for games. For individual years I resisted voting for games that I was rooting for and I know I'll love way more than my bottom picks but just haven't gotten around to yet. Now, I feel willing to vote for these. Does anyone else feel that way?
Shoulderguy last edited by Shoulderguy
I put all the lists together.
#1. Resident Evil 2
#2. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
#3. The Outer Worlds
#4. Fire Emblem: Three Houses
#6. Death Stranding
#7. Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order
#8. Astral Chain
#9. Devil May Cry 5
#10. Metro Exodus
#11. Kingdom Hearts III
#12. Days Gone
#13. Disco Elysium
#14. Outer Wilds
#15. A Plague Tale: Innocence
#16. Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown
#17. Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled
#18. Gears 5
#19. Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
#20. Apex Legends
#21. The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III
#22. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
#24. Borderlands 3
#25. Tetris 99
#1. God of War
#2. Red Dead Redemption 2
#3. Marvel's Spider-Man
#4. Monster Hunter World
#5. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
#6. Yakuza Kiwami 2
#7. Assassin's Creed Odyssey
#8. Yakuza 6: The Song of Life
#9. Valkyria Chronicles 4
#10. Return of the Obra Dinn
#11. Detroit: Become Human
#12. Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age
#14. Spyro Reignited Trilogy
#15. Octopath Traveler
#16. Forza Horizon 4
#17. Astro Bot Rescue Mission
#18. Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna - The Golden Country
#19. Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom
#19. Tetris Effect
#21. Kingdom Come: Deliverance
#22. The Missing: JJ Macfield and the Island of Memories
#23. Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Eevee!
#24. Into the Breach
#25. Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden
#1. Persona 5
#2. Horizon Zero Dawn
#3. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
#4. Super Mario Odyssey
#6. Yakuza 0
#7. Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus
#8. Resident Evil VII: Biohazard
#9. Xenoblade Chronicles 2
#12. Uncharted: The Lost Legacy
#13. Divinity: Original Sin II
#14. Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
#16. Gravity Rush 2
#17. What Remains of Edith Finch
#18. Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony
#19. Sonic Mania
#20. Assassin's Creed Origins
#21. Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
#22. Mass Effect: Andromeda
#24. Injustice 2
#25. The Evil Within 2
#1. Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
#2. Dark Souls III
#3. Final Fantasy XV
#6. Ratchet & Clank
#7. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
#8. The Last Guardian
#9. Pokémon Sun and Moon
#10. The Witness
#12. Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth
#13. The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II
#14. Stardew Valley
#15. Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE
#16. Street Fighter V
#16. The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel
#19. Titanfall 2
#20. Civilization VI
#22. XCOM 2
#23. Let It Die
#24. World of Final Fantasy
#25. I Am Setsuna
#1. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
#3. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
#5. Rocket League
#6. Life Is Strange
#7. Xenoblade Chronicles X
#8. Fallout 4
#10. Batman: Arkham Knight
#11. Yakuza 5
#12. The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC
#13. Divinity Original Sin: Enhanced Edition
#14. Assassin's Creed Syndicate
#15. Until Dawn
#16. Tales of Zestiria
#17. Ori and the Blind Forest
#19. Super Mario Maker
#20. Rise of the Tomb Raider
#1. Shovel Knight
#2. Wolfenstein: The New Order
#3. South Park: The Stick of Truth
#4. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
#5. Bayonetta 2
#6. Dragon Age: Inquisition
#7. Dark Souls II
#8. Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair
#9. Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor
#10. Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
#11. Alien: Isolation
#12. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
#15. Infamous Second Son
#16. The Evil Within
#17. Divinity: Original Sin
#18. Mario Kart 8
#19. The Banner Saga
#20. Child of Light
#21. Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes
#24. Valiant Hearts: The Great War
#25. Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
#1. The Last of Us
#2. Grand Theft Auto V
#3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
#4. Bioshock Infinite
#5. Tomb Raider
#6. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
#7. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
#8. Fire Emblem Awakening
#9. The Stanley Parable
#10. The Wonderful 101
#11. Papers, Please
#12. The Wolf Among Us
#13. SteamWorld Dig
#14. Batman: Arkham Origins
#15. Super Mario 3D World
#15. Rogue Legacy
#17. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
#18. Metro: Last Light
#19. Gone Home
#20. DmC: Devil May Cry
#1. The Walking Dead
#2. Mass Effect 3
#5. Gravity Rush
#6. XCOM: Enemy Unknown
#7. Sleeping Dogs
#8. Hotline Miami
#9. Kid Icarus: Uprising
#10. Spec Ops: The Line
#11. Max Payne 3
#12. Far Cry 3
#13. Resident Evil: Revelations
#14. Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward
#15. The Last Story
#16. Borderlands 2
#17. Diablo III
#18. Dragon's Dogma
#19. FTL: Faster Than Light
#20. Final Fantasy XIII-2
#21. Tokyo Jungle
#22. Tales of Graces f
#23. Katawa Shoujo
#24. Assassin's Creed III
#25. Wipeout 2048
#1. Portal 2
#2. Batman: Arkham City
#3. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
#4. Dark Souls
#5. Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
#6. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
#7. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
#9. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
#10. Xenoblade Chronicles
#11. Yakuza 4
#12. Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
#13. Super Mario 3D Land
#14. The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky
#16. Dead Space 2
#17. Dragon Age II
#18. inFAMOUS 2
#19. Resistance 3
#19. L.A. Noire
#21. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2 - Innocent Sin
#22. Gears of War 3
#23. Pokémon Black and White
#24. Rayman Origins
#25. The King of Fighters XIII
#1. Mass Effect 2
#2. Red Dead Redemption
#3. Fallout: New Vegas
#4. Super Mario Galaxy 2
#5. God of War III
#6. Civilization V
#7. Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver
#8. Donkey Kong Country Returns
#10. Heavy Rain
#11. Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
#12. Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
#15. Deadly Premonition
#16. Halo: Reach
#17. 3D Dot Game Heroes
#18. God of War: Ghost of Sparta
#19. Enslaved: Odyssey to the West
#20. Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors
#21. Skate 3
#22. Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth
#23. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: The Game
#24. StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
#25. Battlefield: Bad Company 2
bam541 last edited by bam541
@shoulderguy Too many good games in one post, it's too much for my eyes!
Also, HZD above BoTW in 2017? Damn, I missed some exciting stuff on this forum.
There's no Dishonored 2? Welp, I'm sad now.