Polygon looking for reviewers



  • @Haru17 What does Gamergate have anything to do with this? Do you even know what Gamergate is?



  • All I'm saying is I don't have a lot of respect for anybody that would publish that Rock Band 4 preview. I mean, yeah only one person wrote it, but their higher ups had to see it and, instead of saying "No, actually write a real article instead." greenlit it and put it on their website. And that's just the most egregious example that immediately springs to mind, it's hardly an isolated case of what I'd consider subpar work done by Polygon.



  • @Sazime said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @ZyloWolfBane Noooope, they've part of Vox.

    And I don't understand the hate either. I don't agree with a couple of the editorial folks over there very often, but I do enjoy reading their articles.

    @TheHashtag0nist said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    Wow, a little disappointed in the vitriol about this.

    So much for jollyness

    Usually I'd be bashing Polygon as well but I feel like that's been taken care of in this thread. They did and still do some great interviews and articles on occasion, and some of the staff, particularly ex-1up are great at what they do. There is definitely worthwhile content to dig through. That said it has a dubious history in terms of playing too nice with friends and taking some eye-raising payments, as @Whoaness mentioned, coupled with an all too often moralising tone that speaks down to whomever they believe their readership is. This along with some other notable missteps makes them hard to stomach for many. They fell into the "gamer bad" camp pretty hard, so if there's some salt up in here that's part of the reason.

    Their Tropico 5 review is a case in point. If you don't want to look it up the tl;dr version is that the reviewer penalised it for making him feel like a dictator, which is more or less the point of the game, and whilst there is room for an ethical debate on simulating moral vice, his justification fell flat to anyone who actually spent time understanding the game. He just didn't get it at all.

    However, as a freelance gig opportunity, which is what this thread is about, it's definitely worth trying for. There aren't that many places left if you fancy a go at more serious game related writing, and even if the site itself is far from ideal that shouldn't stop anyone from submitting and with any luck publishing great work.

    And hey, at least it ain't Killscreen.



  • I was unaware of some of the controversies, but it's still an opportunity. A chance to be heard, get paid, and get some experience. People pay attention to individual writers and reviewers. If you got something going for yourself, people will notice despite being surrounded by people with a bad reputation.



  • @Whoaness said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @Haru17 What does Gamergate have anything to do with this? Do you even know what Gamergate is?

    Gamergate is a (abysmally-titled) borderline to over-the-line sexist group of pop culture-enthused men, nearly all of whom take entertainment journalism waaaaay too seriously. If they actually wanted to make a difference they'd critique the 24-hour TV news networks, but no. They'd rather get angry about journalists not liking the games they like and not hating the ones they hate.

    But back to the forum: Could we be just a tad less at each other's throats here? It's nice when not every convo turns into such a high-stakes argument. Especially for something as inherently dispassionate as an entertainment website.

    Anyway, someone posted a link to /r/KotakuInAction, then deleted it (which I appreciate). As for that subreddit's connection to Gamergate, well, just look.



  • @Haru17 Uh so yeah. Why talk about Gamergate here?

    There's no sexism going on.



  • @Whoaness You asked me what Gamergate is. I told you.



  • @Haru17 because you said:

    Are we seriously discussing shit dredged up by gamergaters?

    Just wondering why you would say this when they have nothing to do with the criticisms against Polygon.



  • @Whoaness said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @Haru17 Uh so yeah. Why talk about Gamergate here?

    There's no sexism going on.

    @Haru17 said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @Whoaness You asked me what Gamergate is. I told you.

    I fully understand why it has come up but can we all agree to not mention gamergate unless necessary if possible? It just leads to misery in the end, however you see it.

    FWIW I'm pretty sure @Whoaness was posing a more or less rhetorical question, and is fully aware of the, shall we say, movement. There are legitimate reasons to question Polygon, no single group has the rights to casting doubt over the outfit, though again, I get why it was mentioned.



  • @Whoaness Well, what I said in the back half of that post about Gamergate. That and the post that got deleted linked to a /r/KotakuInAction thread about Polygon.

    And @flower_arrangement, while I appreciate your appeal for civility, I think we can both speak truth and remain civil. Because shutting ourselves up is, frankly, how the terrorists win. ;)



  • @Haru17

    Ha ha, hey now, wasn't asking you to shut up, far from it. Just preemptively pushing off away from some jagged rocks.



  • Just in case people wanted to know, this is the guy who does Polygons videos. He (Nick Robinson / Babylonian) does dumb game streams (and more than a few sarcastish social eating ones). But about 26 minutes into this one was the funniest thing I've seen all summer. It's... it's perfect.



  • MOD NOTE - Guys this isn't a hate on Polygon thread (nor do we want one), Hashtagonist has provided a genuinely good opportunity into games journalism. Less of the outrage and cynicism.



  • @SabotageTheTruth said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @ZyloWolfBane Kotaku is owned by Gawker Media, Polygon is owned by Vox Media. No connection, as far as I know.

    @Sazime said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @ZyloWolfBane Noooope, they've part of Vox.

    And I don't understand the hate either. I don't agree with a couple of the editorial folks over there very often, but I do enjoy reading their articles.

    Oh oops, I thought they were both under gawker. My mistake.

    Also sheesh I dislike the site but not as much as the rest of the topic, I will say that just for the freelance aspect it's not a bad gig, there's few sites like that around anymore now that 1-up went down along with a few others, it probably isn't a bad idea, maybe you could be the one who changes people's perceptions of the site as a whole, who knows? I'll just show myself out now
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  • @Haru17 said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @Whoaness said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @Haru17 What does Gamergate have anything to do with this? Do you even know what Gamergate is?

    Gamergate is a (abysmally-titled) borderline to over-the-line sexist group of pop culture-enthused men, nearly all of whom take entertainment journalism waaaaay too seriously.

    Well you obviously know nothing.



  • @Musou-Tensei said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    Well you obviously know nothing.

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    @Musou-Tensei Yeah man. Preach!
    Goobergate is a consortium of professional, highly educated individuals who only wanted to expose corruption in the games journalism industry by jerking off into a pool of hatred focused on a literally who gamedev who made a literally who game.
    I mean, fuck corporate level corruption, paid reviews, and all that, BITCH HAS PINK HIGHLIGHTS! CANCER KILLING GAMING!!

    Tldr if you describe GG by what they THINK their goals are, they sound kinda cool. If you describe them by their ACTUAL goals and actions, they are human garbage.

    But hey, how about dat Polygon?



  • @Art said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    Humans have a vast range of emotions. Deal with it.

    Yup. You can't honestly expect everyone to have happy lalala opinions about everything.

    There's nothing wrong with anything that was said in this thread earlier. No personal attacks directed at users here, and Polygon does deserve some dislike for the use of clickbait titles. And twisting quotes from game developers to create buzz and controversity. After all, if you want to preach jollyness. They have created articles meant to cause division among gamers.

    We do not live in a utopian world where everything is perfect and lovable. And we can't all honestly say that we have a positive opinion about everything that's messed up about this world.



  • @-Jak- said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    @Art said in Polygon looking for reviewers:

    Humans have a vast range of emotions. Deal with it.

    Yup. You can't honestly expect everyone to have happy lalala opinions about everything.

    There's nothing wrong with anything that was said in this thread earlier. No personal attacks directed at users here, and Polygon does deserve some dislike for the use of clickbait titles. And twisting quotes from game developers to create buzz and controversity. After all, if you want to preach jollyness. They have created articles meant to cause division among gamers.

    We do not live in a utopian world where everything is perfect and lovable. And we can't all honestly say that we have a positive opinion about everything that's messed up about this world.

    I don't think anyone is asking for naivete or ignorance, but rather empathy - because [A] the industry is actually TINY and [B] currently dealing with a serious attitude/image crisis brought on by what is LITERALLY the worst thing to happen to our industry in its entire history (GG). Sure, respond with whatever emotions you want, just don't expect to be taken seriously or listened to if you're being hostile. There's a way to express a differing viewpoint without creating an uncomfortable environment for others.

    This whole thread baffles me. As I understand it, the appeal of EZA is its core message of Love and Respect. Yet here, another outlet is mentioned and THIS happens. And some of the reasoning for the hate... jesus christ. Even EZA guys have literally mentioned multiple times they have NEVER seen or heard of anyone getting kickbacks for positive coverage or whatever other random GG propaganda everyone likes to recite at the mere mention of Polygon or Kotaku. Or complaining about their moralising by ironically doing exactly that in turn. As a dev in the industry, i sat on the fence after a brief run in with the hate machine that is GG. Honestly, I'm still too scared to mention them on twitter, even though my run in was microscopic in comparison. And now I see even a hint of the same attitudes or jargon rearing its head here and like hell if I will I let it stand now. I LOVE this community, and the positive focus EZA pushes. We should strive for that, not some tired hostile regurgitated rhetoric.

    If i was a writer, I'd kill for a gig at an establishment as prominent as Polygon. It's a good opportunity regardless.

    Love and respect.



  • @sblomkamp Good post Steven.

    If anything guys/girls, if you truly believe there is a problem with games media, why not be the change yourself?

    If you truly believe Polygon is the bad guy, why not join their ranks and dilute their evil with your righteousness?

    The opportunity is there to make a difference and "fix" what you deem broken.