I've never been a fan of Colin and not even Kinda Funny, I gave them a chance back in the days but it didn't hook me. So I knew even less about what Moriarty has said in Twitter, but because of the backlash I looked into it.

I absolutely understand why people don't like him, he comes of as a asshole to me too. Listening the Fireside Chat he also basically also admits that. He's attitude does bother me a lot. But personally I'm not ready to attach all these labels to him what people seem to do. I also understand why people do that, because he has come off like that many times and doesn't want to explain and clarify Nor even apologize. But going bit deeper than just the questionable tweets also show that it's not that simple.

And for the Brandon's appearance, I'm proud of him. I think he did good job expressing L&R in what he talked and even challenged Moriarty on it just a little bit. I think it's good for Moriarty and his fans to hear something like this and maybe considering taking it to heart. And ofcourse many of Colin's fans already show love and respect to others. I don't mean to paint his fanbase on a broad brush, many of us are fans of both.

I'm not angry at Jones for going to the chat. I'm just saddened that it has caused some divide in the community and that some people don't feel welcomed anymore. But I'm not gonna attack and blame those people either. I haven't ever been the butt of Colin's joke. He has never disrespected me or people like me. But he has done it to others, so I can't just pretend that it hasn't happened.

Welcome fellow Gaffers!

@TokyoSlim said in For Honor:

@Paper-Lion First you must defeat me in a spelling contest. :)

This is turning into insult sword fighting from Monkey Island, I love it!

Oh yeah, For Honor feels pretty damn great. Been playing it on beta now.

Nathan Drake isn't people though, he is a video game character and especially created to be everyman type. The natural color of your hair doesn't tell us who you are as an invidual, you can give it a different color to express yourself though. We are talking about who someone is as a character. Changes in Drake's skin color, hair color or eye color wouldn't require any changes in the script or the gameplay. I have green eyes (maybe) all that tells about me is that I have green eyes. Even black swedish male can be adventurous, charming altough snarky, intelligent, married with white female character. These all describe Nathan Drake, right? Why can't swedish black man shape up to have Nathan Drake's persona?

@Musou-Tensei We are talking about Nathan Drake here and you didn't tell me the characteristics in Nathan Drake that makes it impossible for him to be an african american or white swedish man. And I said we are inviduals shaped by the society/culture we live in, not by the colour of the skin. The colour of the skin can have effect on how others treat you and that will shape you. And you were talking about race, which is about ancestry and genetics. I was talking about the society these people live in. The man living in Finland can have Nigerian roots, but still hold different values and interests than the person currently born and raised in Nigeria.

I mentioned Lee Everett earlier, from Telltales Walking Dead. He could had been a white guy too. If they only cut the line about Lee being urban and dialogue choice about calling Larry a racist. How many videogame protagonists there are that absolutely need to be white males to tell the story they are telling? But then we get to Lincoln Clay again, he needed to be minority for the story and the world they were building. Since you as the player are victim of racist attitudes. The whole game was from that angle, in Walking Dead it was only few lines.

@Musou-Tensei I haven't said any of those things. You really need to understand that people are inviduals, I want diversity in games for the reason I've stated earlier, to get new perspectives. And I acknowledge there are other positives too, for somebody else the reason can be different. Don't bring in the discussion what others have said, when I haven't said it. I'm not part of any group and I don't preach anyone elses message. I'm in favor with diversity in game developement too sure, but even white men are capable of writing excellent stories that are focused on minorities. Take David Simon for an example, The Wire, Treme, Show me a hero. All great tv-shows, Wire might be the greatest of all time. But can you tell me the characteristics in Nathan Drake that make it impossible for him to be an african american for example or white swedish man? What nationality is he then? Since you clearly think it's very well defined in his character.

Black man born and raised in Finland (it's where I live), will be very different person than a black man born in Nigeria. They might share the tone of their skin, but they grow up in a different culture, that shapes them. Ofcourse people of different nations have their own beliefs, juridical systems, schooling and traditions. I never said they didn't. But not everyone follows them, Finland is a Christian country. I take no part in that. Sometimes I even break the laws that are set here, because I follow my own morals and judgement. People are inviduals, we are not just stereotypes and we can't be painted with a broad brush. Like you said you aren't either. Why it seems that you think minorities are? Or am I just misunderstanding you?

@Musou-Tensei No it wouldn't be a different game. Because being white isn't what makes Nathan Drake. The character could had been black, latino etc. and no changes in the script or gameplay mechanics would had been needed. Just a different model for the character.

Your statement about companies including PoC to call others racist goes to some kind of conspiracy theory area and seems a bit delusional. So I don't think we would be getting anywhere with discussing that.

I've watched Senran Kagura anime for some episodes, gave me few chuckles. But I couldn't call it a good series, it's just silly fluff. The characters weren't deep or compelling. Can't comment on the games. I've played Hunie Pop to completion though, it wasn't a good game. I played it for the naughty bits and the bad writing/voice acting. And it was gifted to me, so would had been rude to not play it ;)

I've seen stereotypical people too in RL, many of them happen to be white. Because I see mostly white people in my daily life. But they aren't stereotypical whites, or stereotypical blacks. They are stereotypes of low education, alcoholics, fans of certain music genre, people with anime avatars etc. The thing is, person of any ethnicity can represent all of these.

@Musou-Tensei If Nathan Drake was black from the first game, would it had hurt the story they wanted to tell. Since I think it wouldn't had impacted the story at all. It would had only added a person of colour to the AAA game protagonists, there would had been no negative impact. But there would be a positive, to give people playing games more representation in big blockbusters too. Since it's been dominated by white male leads for so long.

I also don't advocate for changing already created characters. But I want new characters in wide spectrum. Life is strange gave me fresh perspective with it's young female view. And as I already mentioned Mafia 3, because of the main character the game tackles issues straight on in it's world, gameplay and story in a way never done before. This how diversifying is beneficial to the medium, it opens up a door to new and fresh stories. I still want my Adam Jensen, Solid Snake and Geralt of Rivia. But give me more of Lincoln Clay, Lee Everet and Max Caulfield too.

I don't mind titties either tbh. Characters can be sexy, wear revealing outfits and so on. What makes the character for me is the writing, how are they represented in the story. Do they have interesting personality, or are they just tropes. Some people call Witcher 3 a sexist game, but those people have very shallow view of the game then. They only look on the surface, how does the female character look. They don't consider who she is. And that's wrong, people shouldn't judge others by just an appearance in real life either. Hell, I even thought that Quiet was the most interesting character in Phantom Pain. I wish she had more clothes on though, since it was a bit ridicilous. But so is the whole series, so I guess I can give it a pass. I'm not outraged, I just think it's dumb. You can take "sexy" too far. I was disturbed by the interrigation scene though, since it was so sexualized. Maybe that was the intent, to make the player uncomfortable, I don't know.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, loved the game! Didn't have same impact on me as Human Revolution had though. Since this was mostly more of the same, with bit better level design and side quests. But also suffered from some problems the earlier didn't.

@suplextrain Did you agree with RLM that the diversity in the film was a good thing? What they are criticizing is the film being a product of corporate thinking (this isn't their only point that shows that), not the diversity. They even call out people as morons who were boycotting the film and complaining about the casting choices based on their race and gender. But yeah, it's odd that you bring up their review to strenghten your point when the review is actually complementing the diversity.

I also don't understand people who say they don't care about the characters race and gender. But then complain it being forced when it's a female or minority. I've seen people complaining about Mafia 3 and Lincoln Clay being minority being forced "because of the SJWs", while the whole story heavily revolves around racism in the place and time the game is set. So it's very integral to the story they WANT to tell. What if Nathan Drake was a black man, would that hurt the story Naughty Dog wants to tell? Why is adding diversity to media called out as forced. But not the fact that most game protagonists are white men, that if anything seems being forced.

RLM is great btw!