@-Jak- Pretty much summed it up right there. Even if you just look at the 4K Horizon Zero Dawn video on the Playstation youtube channel, set it at 4K, it already looks insanely more amazing even downscaled on a 1080p non HDR monitor so just imagine how it looks on a proper monitor!

@RockDoctor lol so true! And it wasn't even true 1080p quality haha. At least the EZA community barely has any of that so that's something to appreciate anyway!

@RockDoctor The thing is consoles will basically never be Max settings for the newest AAA games unless they decide to start making consoles like $1000. To have a PC that plays the newest games at mostly 60fps at 4K, it takes $1000 for the GPU alone and then everything else it'd come to about $2000. I love PC gaming personally what you get for $400 for the PS4 Pro is about what you'd get for a PC a little under $1000 or so. it's really a great value because a $400 PC these days won't even run most games as well as a normal PS4 does.

I get if the console doesn't have the things some people prefer and won't buy it but I see a lot of people trashing it for not being more powerful than it already is which is kind of stupid IMO. getting any modern 4K gaming for $400 is unheard of up to this point.

Ohhh shit you're right. I heard it was cheaper from somebody online and just didn't think anything of it. Yeah if the specs don't change, I'd imagine it's gotta be around $500+ unless they are getting a great deal or selling it at a hefty loss. The xbone S is $300 isn't it? so that's pretty huge. I've very interested to see how sales change with xbone Skorpio being the most powerful console and the 4K Bluray player for the S @ $300. It seems to me like they are selling their new consoles at a slightly bigger loss to get better sales long term but I may be wrong.

@Acidtrip-69 Yeah I totally get the 4K Bluray player issue for sure if you consume movies that way. That is by far the most valid complaint IMO. They must be moving toward a digital only type of deal but I imagine 4K movies must be a big ass download. 1TB HDD helps though.

And yeah according to digital foundry, from what I understand, it's something like 1440p upscaled to 4K using this new super-scaling technology and these experts say you can't even notice a difference with the naked eye. You would need to do some heavy examination side by side with a native 4K to really see the difference in resolution.

@bard91 You can get the newest games running in 4K on a PC under $1000 now at a smooth framerate??? Please show me! and doubling GPU power and increasing CPU power with a 1TB hard drive for only $100 more is just such a good value. Any more than that, you'd have to imagine would cost Sony a lot more. They always sell consoles at a loss at launch so I imagine this is no different and if the console was $500 everybody would be complaining about the price. I get if you don't care about this stuff but I just don't know what else you can expect for $400.

On a side note I have no god damn clue in hell how Microsoft has the scorpio so powerful at such a low price. They are either losing out on tons of money to boost long term sales or have some insane deal going with AMD or something. That shit is a mind blowing value.

I haven't seen any of this here, but I see misleading info on other forums and all over reddit using any kind of misleading or ignorant info they can to trash on the PS4 Pro. I get it,s not a huge leap as it's just an upgraded PS4 and seems to only be worth it if you have a 4K HDR TV for the most part but I see all sorts of comparing screenshots of PS4 Pro trailers to graphics on PC Max settings 4K. Like with Rise of the Tomb Raider you literally need THE BEST $2000 PC you can buy to play this game at 4K 60fps maxed out. The PS4 Pro plays it at about high settings 30fps in 4K and people are pointing out the texture quality difference and referencing the resolution for some reason.

TL;DR: Basically, what more can you expect for $400? You would need to spend about $1000 on average to have a PC that runs games at this resolution and quality level. Is that not a good enough deal for people? I get if you don't care about the graphical leap but all I am seeing with people trashing on the system is pure ignorance. Not to mention 99% of people have never even seen these games running in 4K HDR, yet they still try to act like it doesn't look any different as if they know from watching a 720p live stream.

This is why I love you guys. You keep an open mind, If you don't like something you understand it might just not be for you and don't call everything "trash." I fucking HATE those people who say shit like "Witcher 3 is garbage" because they don't like the combat and stuff like that. Thoughts?

@Musou-Tensei Ok cool! Good to know it's not for sure a rule now! lol I just find it crazy in any case when showing and talking about murder is totally cool but talking about something every person in history does with people they love is bad. Makes no sense. Basically:

Unnatural destruction of a human in a violent manner = Totally cool

Natural reproduction or even existing without fabric over your body = EVIL

Haha yeah I'm a bit facked but social constructs might be a bit more facked than I am even.

@BlazingBahamut YES!!!!!!! So happy for him!

@Musou-Tensei Are we really aren't allowed to talk about sexual content? I get no porn but that's one thing I've always wished I could hear from the allies more and it seems they try to steer away from it a lot. I don't expect a whole show or discussion about sex but I dunno I think it'd be cool to at least hear the more comfortable allies talk about it in passing. A whole show about how Huber dicks down bitches would be dope though! :P